E H/E

By Birding-Aus, on June 11th, 2015

Good morning fine men I lived for many years in the Whitsundays and spent many a good weekend in Eungella. I met people looking for E H/E fairly often. You may not know that not too far back, a couple of people from Europe (Slavs?) were found looking for E H/Es to trap. I have been advised local people are very concerned about the level of detail being provided on the birding-aus forum, describing exactly where birds are and which trees they forage in. I expect of course the poachers didnt capture any my recollection was birders were lucky to see them, never mind have one in the hand like Mc Leays H/Es at the café on Mt Spec. However, I dont have that detail. I am copying to the birding-aus admin, clearly their discretion; I wonder if this type of dialogue should occur between interested individuals off line from birding-aus? As much as we all want to see these iconic birds, species like E H/E have a price on the international market nothing we do should place them at risk. Unfortunately logging is occurring in Crediton Forest, another blow to the integrity of adjacent Eungella NP and the well-being of a honey eater with such a restricted range. Best regards to both Sheena (Conservation at BSQ)

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mcachard

June 11, 2015 at 2:29 pm

Hi Sheena, Hmmmmmmmm… well, I guess there are birders who do behave responsibly, and this includes those who do use bird sound responsibly. But then, of course, there are idiots who don’t use bird sound responsibly – unfortunately, they call themselves birders too!! I’ve seen it all too often myself… martin cachard, trinity beach, cairns. CC: birding-aus@birding-aus.org Thanks so much for your understanding Martin and Elliot.You may know I have a long association with the eastern bristlebird recovery project.Once The Loop birds went viral (there existed lots of historical data anyway) those birds were pestered to death.I defended birders at recovery meetings but then found a ranger telling me of what he had witnessed, while working away on his veg work – not good I’m afraid. No one was poaching of course but certainly playing sound to an inappropriate extent. I f they had sat and waited, those birds behaved like sparrows and they would not have had to follow then down the tracks.I will let the Mackay folk know all is well – thank you again. Sheena From: Elliot Leach [mailto:elliot.leach@griffithuni.edu.au] Sent: Thursday, 11 June 2015 1:57 PM Cc: Sheena Gillman; birding-aus@birding-aus.org Thanks for your very alarming note – needless to say, I am devastated to hear of such appalling behaviour. I guess I was really only interested in starting and continuing this thread for the benefit of others in their future searches for this severely range-restricted species. I agree fully with Sheena that there should be some discretion shown with any public on-line comments made on this species given that such threats are possible, no matter how unlikely they may be to actually eventuate. Therefore I will not be personally adding to this thread after this post. What is this world coming to…??!! martin cachard, trinity beach, cairns. From: sheena@naturesound.com.au CC: birding-aus@birding-aus.org; sheena@naturesound.com.au I lived for many years in the Whitsundays and spent many a good weekend in Eungella. I met people looking for E H/E fairly often. You may not know that not too far back, a couple of people from Europe (Slavs’?) were found looking for E H/Es to trap. I have been advised local people are very concerned about the level of detail being provided on the birding-aus forum, describing exactly where birds are and which trees they forage in. I expect of course the poachers didn’t capture any – my recollection was birders were lucky to see them, never mind have one in the hand like Mc Leays H/Es at the café on Mt Spec. However, I don’t have that detail. I am copying to the birding-aus admin’, clearly their discretion; I wonder if this type of dialogue should occur between interested individuals off line from birding-aus? As much as we all want to see these iconic birds, species like E H/E have a price on the international market – nothing we do should place them at risk. Unfortunately logging is occurring in Crediton Forest, another blow to the integrity of adjacent Eungella NP and the well-being of a honey eater with such a restricted range. Best regards to both Sheena (Conservation at BSQ)

elliot.leach

June 11, 2015 at 1:57 pm

Just respond to the person making the RFI off-list.

peter

June 11, 2015 at 12:52 pm

Sheena, can you please elaborate about these poachers? Who found them, how do they know that’s what they were doing? Peter Shute

sheena

June 11, 2015 at 10:45 am

Thanks so much for your understanding Martin and Elliot. You may know I have a long association with the eastern bristlebird recovery project. Once The Loop birds went viral (there existed lots of historical data anyway) those birds were pestered to death. I defended birders at recovery meetings but then found a ranger telling me of what he had witnessed, while working away on his veg work – not good I’m afraid. No one was poaching of course but certainly playing sound to an inappropriate extent. I f they had sat and waited, those birds behaved like sparrows and they would not have had to follow then down the tracks. I will let the Mackay folk know all is well – thank you again. Sheena Sent: Thursday, 11 June 2015 1:57 PM Cc: Sheena Gillman; birding-aus@birding-aus.org Just respond to the person making the RFI off-list. Hi Sheena, Thanks for your very alarming note – needless to say, I am devastated to hear of such appalling behaviour. I guess I was really only interested in starting and continuing this thread for the benefit of others in their future searches for this severely range-restricted species. I agree fully with Sheena that there should be some discretion shown with any public on-line comments made on this species given that such threats are possible, no matter how unlikely they may be to actually eventuate. Therefore I will not be personally adding to this thread after this post. What is this world coming to…??!! martin cachard, trinity beach, cairns. _____ CC: birding-aus@birding-aus.org birding-aus@birding-aus.org> ; sheena@naturesound.com.au sheena@naturesound.com.au> Good morning fine men I lived for many years in the Whitsundays and spent many a good weekend in Eungella. I met people looking for E H/E fairly often. You may not know that not too far back, a couple of people from Europe (Slavs’?) were found looking for E H/Es to trap. I have been advised local people are very concerned about the level of detail being provided on the birding-aus forum, describing exactly where birds are and which trees they forage in. I expect of course the poachers didn’t capture any – my recollection was birders were lucky to see them, never mind have one in the hand like Mc Leays H/Es at the café on Mt Spec. However, I don’t have that detail. I am copying to the birding-aus admin’, clearly their discretion; I wonder if this type of dialogue should occur between interested individuals off line from birding-aus? As much as we all want to see these iconic birds, species like E H/E have a price on the international market – nothing we do should place them at risk. Unfortunately logging is occurring in Crediton Forest, another blow to the integrity of adjacent Eungella NP and the well-being of a honey eater with such a restricted range. Best regards to both Sheena (Conservation at BSQ)

Hi Sheena, Thanks for your very alarming note – needless to say, I am devastated to hear of such appalling behaviour. I guess I was really only interested in starting and continuing this thread for the benefit of others in their future searches for this severely range-restricted species. I agree fully with Sheena that there should be some discretion shown with any public on-line comments made on this species given that such threats are possible, no matter how unlikely they may be to actually eventuate. Therefore I will not be personally adding to this thread after this post. What is this world coming to…??!! martin cachard, trinity beach, cairns. CC: birding-aus@birding-aus.org; sheena@naturesound.com.au Good morning fine men I lived for many years in the Whitsundays and spent many a good weekend in Eungella. I met people looking for E H/E fairly often. You may not know that not too far back, a couple of people from Europe (Slavs’?) were found looking for E H/Es to trap. I have been advised local people are very concerned about the level of detail being provided on the birding-aus forum, describing exactly where birds are and which trees they forage in. I expect of course the poachers didn’t capture any – my recollection was birders were lucky to see them, never mind have one in the hand like Mc Leays H/Es at the café on Mt Spec. However, I don’t have that detail. I am copying to the birding-aus admin’, clearly their discretion; I wonder if this type of dialogue should occur between interested individuals off line from birding-aus? As much as we all want to see these iconic birds, species like E H/E have a price on the international market – nothing we do should place them at risk. Unfortunately logging is occurring in Crediton Forest, another blow to the integrity of adjacent Eungella NP and the well-being of a honey eater with such a restricted range. Best regards to both Sheena(Conservation at BSQ)

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