A tricky subject where it certainly has the potential to go too far, but this point is difficult to specify. I think that birding-aus people will let them know if they go too far, and I think that Russell monitors this very well. From a personal point of view, I have been happy to read about forthcoming tours to Ashmore Reef, Torres Strait Islands, etc. These tend to be either one off tours, or they are tours that while they are commercial don’t make the operator a profit (my understanding is that George Swann basically gets a free trip to Ashmore). And I am certainly happy to read the trip reports after the tours, while people could argue that this is a back door way of advertising. The pelagic trips are advertised, but I don’t think anyone could argue with that? Someone is making money on the trip, but generally the trips are run at cost and are of interest to many members of birding-aus. I think the guys in Alice Springs have shown suitable restraint by reporting sightings they have seen. I wouldn’t have known there were commercial operators in Alice. I might not make use of them, but if overseas people contact me then I am happy to let them know that there is someone with excellent local knowledge who can show them around. Similarly I have been happy in the past with reports by Denise Goodfellow for the NT, or Kingfisher Park in Far North Queensland, or tours to Cocos and Christmas Islands, etc. I know that I would be interested if someone was organising a tour to say Neale Junction in WA to look for Scarlet-chested Parrot, Striated (Sandhill) Grasswren, etc. Or maybe a tour to NSW or Qld to look for Striated (Rusty) Grasswren. At BirdLife Western Australia we face some dilemmas with our eNews. We include reports of a lake being full this year, which is useful for people thinking of visiting that area, but it is clear that this benefits the station as people will be paying to stay there. Or reports of Ground Cuckoo-shrike will benefit the person whose property they are on, as people will probably need to stay there. _________________________________________________________________ Frank O’Connor Birding WA http://birdingwa.iinet.net.au Phone : (08) 9386 5694 Email : foconnor@iinet.net.au
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Judy, the requirement to put “ADVERTISEMENT” in the subject line only applies to commercial advertising. Advertising things like your brochure for non commercial organisations has always been allowed. Peter Shute
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Hi Judy, I wouldn’t call it advertising, more of a public service announcement. Good to hear the news. Carl Clifford
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Hi everyone, I’m not sure as to whether this constitutes ‘advertising’ – however here goes- Birds Queensland, in conjunction with Birdlife Southern Queensland (Gold Coast branch) will soon be launching our new “Bird Places of the Gold Coast’ brochure. This brochure will be freely available and on the relevant websites. Other contributing organisations have been SEQ Catchments, GCCC, Friends of Federation Walk and Currumbin Wildlife Sanctuary. Birds Queensland already has a ‘Bird Places of Brisbane’ brochure on our website http://birdsqueensland.org.au/downloads/birdplaces2014.pdf ‘Places to see birds in Queensland’ can be found on this page:- http://birdsqueensland.org.au/bird_places.php I’m sure other organisations Australia-wide have similar brochures and links on their web pages. I will keep the list informed when our new Gold Coast brochure is finally produced! Cheers, Judy —–Original Message—– Denise Goodfellow Sent: Monday, 18 May 2015 11:02 AM Cc: birding-aus Hi Frank Apologies for the delay in commenting. I agree with you. If I wanted to bird elsewhere or (in the past as Ive largely retired) had clients who wished to bird elsewhere Id contact the guides/birders of that area. Im not an authority on birds elsewhere in Australia – asking local experts, whether theyre formal guides or not, makes good sense. And your point about ephemeral lakes and birds turning up unexpectedly is a good one. And that brings me to another reason for dealing with the locals For example here in the Top End, development, inappropriate fire regimes, and transformer weeds have destroyed habitat, and therefore many traditional birding spots have either disappeared or been degraded. Others are now virtually out-of-bounds, for example Leanyer Sewage Ponds. Both these reasons are why, when asked by Stephen Shunk, a birding acquaintance in the US, to supply information on good birding areas, I went straight to Birding Aus. Here is part of his email. “I am the new assistant editor at Nature Travel Network, and we are preparing a major launch of a brand new site design very soon. We need someone to write us a 250-word summary of birding in Australia, plus a short list of key bird species (or families?!) and 3-5 birding hotspots or regions. I realize Australia is a big place, but we just need this most basic info to get started. Eventually, we could have a page for each of the key birding regions, but for now, the overall summary is most important”. I dont wish to write up birds in other areas of Australia – Im not the expert as ive already stated. So thanks to those few Birding Aussers who have already sent me information. But I would like a lot more. I can send Stephens draft overview as a guide for anyone interested. Thanks Denise Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow PO Box 71 Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841 043 8650 835 PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW. Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia Nominated by Earthfoot for Condé Nasts International Ecotourism Award, 2004. With every introduction of a plant or animal that goes feral this continent becomes a little less unique, a little less Australian. On 16 May 2015, at 8:18 pm, Frank O’Connor < foconnor@iinet.net.au> wrote: this point is difficult to specify. I think that birding-aus people will let them know if they go too far, and I think that Russell monitors this very well. tours to Ashmore Reef, Torres Strait Islands, etc. These tend to be either one off tours, or they are tours that while they are commercial don’t make the operator a profit (my understanding is that George Swann basically gets a free trip to Ashmore). And I am certainly happy to read the trip reports after the tours, while people could argue that this is a back door way of advertising. with that? Someone is making money on the trip, but generally the trips are run at cost and are of interest to many members of birding-aus. reporting sightings they have seen. I wouldn’t have known there were commercial operators in Alice. I might not make use of them, but if overseas people contact me then I am happy to let them know that there is someone with excellent local knowledge who can show them around. for the NT, or Kingfisher Park in Far North Queensland, or tours to Cocos and Christmas Islands, etc. Neale Junction in WA to look for Scarlet-chested Parrot, Striated (Sandhill) Grasswren, etc. Or maybe a tour to NSW or Qld to look for Striated (Rusty) Grasswren. include reports of a lake being full this year, which is useful for people thinking of visiting that area, but it is clear that this benefits the station as people will be paying to stay there. Or reports of Ground Cuckoo-shrike will benefit the person whose property they are on, as people will probably need to stay there. http://birdingwa.iinet.net.au
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Hi Frank Apologies for the delay in commenting. I agree with you. If I wanted to bird elsewhere or (in the past as I’ve largely retired) had clients who wished to bird elsewhere I’d contact the guides/birders of that area. I’m not an authority on birds elsewhere in Australia – asking local experts, whether they’re formal guides or not, makes good sense. And your point about ephemeral lakes and birds turning up unexpectedly is a good one. And that brings me to another reason for dealing with the locals – the rate of habitat change that appears to be occurring in many places. For example here in the Top End, development, inappropriate fire regimes, and transformer weeds have destroyed habitat, and therefore many traditional birding spots have either disappeared or been degraded. Others are now virtually out-of-bounds, for example Leanyer Sewage Ponds. Both these reasons are why, when asked by Stephen Shunk, a birding acquaintance in the US, to supply information on good birding areas, I went straight to Birding Aus. Here is part of his email. “I am the new assistant editor at Nature Travel Network, and we are preparing a major launch of a brand new site design very soon. We need someone to write us a 250-word summary of birding in Australia, plus a short list of key bird species (or families?!) and 3-5 birding hotspots or regions. I realize Australia is a big place, but we just need this most basic info to get started. Eventually, we could have a page for each of the key birding regions, but for now, the overall summary is most important”. I don’t wish to write up birds in other areas of Australia – I’m not the expert as i’ve already stated. So thanks to those few Birding Aussers who have already sent me information. But I would like a lot more. I can send Stephen’s draft overview as a guide for anyone interested. Thanks Denise Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow PO Box 71 Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841 043 8650 835 PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW. Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia Nominated by Earthfoot for Condé Nast’s International Ecotourism Award, 2004. With every introduction of a plant or animal that goes feral this continent becomes a little less unique, a little less Australian. On 16 May 2015, at 8:18 pm, Frank O’Connor < foconnor@iinet.net.au> wrote:
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Hi all, In my opinion, B-A is an appropriate place to advertise as there are many, many enquiries from birders overseas on this list. I’d be happy to contribute to the cost of running b-a, and have in fact offered Russell such in the past, if I am to place ads on b-a. In fact, I didn’t even know of the existence of ausbird, until I read this thread… Regards John Yours in all things “green” John Harris BASc, GDipEd Director – Wildlife Experiences P/L Principal Zoologist/Ecologist Nature Photographer Wildlife Guide Croydon, Vic 0409 090 955 President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria http://www.fncv.org.au —– Reply message —– Cc: < birding-aus@birding-aus.org> I completely agree Fiona – and I do some guiding as well. This to me is not the right forum for this. Dom On 16 May 2015 5:36 pm, “Fiona Anderson” < fea2003@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Hi All, With regard to advertising Russell, the owner of Birding Aus, posted an email on the 1st of november last year which started as “Some months ago I removed the “no advertising” restriction and simply asked that people who wished to advertise birding services and products are welcome to do so, but that they should place ADVERTISEMENT in the subject header.” etc etc. “Russell Woodford Birding-Aus Owner” I presume that he considers advertising OK. As he pointed out in that email it is a trivial exercise to filter out emails with that word in the title if you don’t want to see them. Cheers Andrew Hobbs. On 16/05/2015 7:23 PM, wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com wrote: — *********************************************************** Andrew Hobbs pardalote@iinet.net.au ***********************************************************
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