I remember the late Tim Fisher (of the Philippines) telling me about a client who asked him (Tim) “Did you see that well enough for me to tick it?” David Robertson Adelaide
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Yes, of course it does, especially for new birders and on pelagic trips. —–Original Message—– Sent: Monday, 11 May 2015 3:21 PM Cc: birding-aus; David Robertson I think that occurs on quite a few group tours, with the leaders collecting the individual sightings for their records, and some of the group just using the “master” list as their own sightings. Guess it is a matter of conscience. Carl Clifford
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Hi all, I subscribe to the theory the Victoria Police once had, “shoot first, ask questions later”.. I was in Jabiru in early 1988 and took a photo of a raptor. As the years passed, I often thought it might be a Red Goshawk but thought it was just my wishing tainting my memory. It wasn’t until 1999 that I showed the slide to Greg Czechura and he confirmed it was a Red… I was stoked and had to go back and renumber my life list to fit it in the first 350 species
That theory has also worked well for me on pelagics, as I am prone to seasickness… If I can photograph the bird, then I have seen it 
Regards John Yours in all things “green” John Harris BASc, GDipEd Director – Wildlife Experiences P/L Principal Zoologist/Ecologist Nature Photographer Wildlife Guide Croydon, Vic 0409 090 955 President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria http://www.fncv.org.au —– Reply message —– Cc: “birding-aus” < Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org>, “David Robertson” < drdeath@picknowl.com.au> I think that occurs on quite a few group tours, with the leaders collecting the individual sightings for their records, and some of the group just using the “master” list as their own sightings. Guess it is a matter of conscience. Carl Clifford
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Well if in the story Denise refers to it was a summary given at the end of the day, it saves writing and avoids forgetting things……. I don’t see any problem with that. Mostly on a boat trip everyone sees all the species. Maybe he was simply interested to know what was observed in total on the trip, which is after all, more important than his own list. He could later if it mattered to him, when at home edit the list to delete those not seen by him. If he did not look up during the trip, well yes that seems a bit odd, as in a waste of money. Maybe he was seasick. I was going to write the same as what Peter did. It is pretty obvious and routine……. The reason for going out with someone more knowledgeable is to find and confirm the ones you would not find or identify yourself. So of course you would rely on the advice as posed in the question. I wish I had someone as a local guide when I was in the Philippines…… Philip —–Original Message—– Denise Goodfellow Sent: Monday, 11 May 2015 1:32 PM Cc: birding-aus; David Robertson Clients once told me of a fellow passenger on a pelagic trip. As the guide reeled off the names of the species, this fellow ticked them off his list, without looking up! Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow PO Box 71 Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841 043 8650 835 PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW. Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia Nominated by Earthfoot for Condé Nasts International Ecotourism Award, 2004. With every introduction of a plant or animal that goes feral this continent becomes a little less unique, a little less Australian. On 11 May 2015, at 12:23 pm, Peter Shute < pshute@nuw.org.au> wrote: but wasn’t able to identify it, and was just making sure Tim was certain of the id. tell me it wasn’t a Blue-wing. Normally I’d want to id it myself, but I figure there aren’t going to be many chances to try again, and it’s not that much different to taking a photo and asking an expert later.
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I think that occurs on quite a few group tours, with the leaders collecting the individual sightings for their records, and some of the group just using the “master” list as their own sightings. Guess it is a matter of conscience. Carl Clifford
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Clients once told me of a fellow passenger on a pelagic trip. As the guide reeled off the names of the species, this fellow ticked them off his list, without looking up! Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow PO Box 71 Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841 043 8650 835 PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW. Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia Nominated by Earthfoot for Condé Nast’s International Ecotourism Award, 2004. With every introduction of a plant or animal that goes feral this continent becomes a little less unique, a little less Australian. On 11 May 2015, at 12:23 pm, Peter Shute < pshute@nuw.org.au> wrote:
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That’s not as silly as it sounds, if the client did actually see the bird but wasn’t able to identify it, and was just making sure Tim was certain of the id. My OBP tick wouldn’t be a tick if there hadn’t been an expert there to tell me it wasn’t a Blue-wing. Normally I’d want to id it myself, but I figure there aren’t going to be many chances to try again, and it’s not that much different to taking a photo and asking an expert later. Peter Shute
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