There has always been confusion over this name because Piping Shrike was used as the name of the White-backed Magpie when the South Aust constitution was written. Identification of the birdEdit Because the name piping shrike is not used to identify any bird, there has been some confusion over what bird it represents. While some think it resembles the Murray magpie (Grallina cyanoleuca), the original reports specify that it is based on the Australian magpie , [1] and government sources specify the subspecies as the white-backed magpie (Cracticus tibicen telonocua formerly Gymnorhina tibicen leuconota). [4] The connection of this bird to the name piping shrike can be seen in this early observation by explorer Charles Sturt in the 1840s: “GYMNORHINA LEUCONOTA GOULD., The White-backed Crow Shrike. This bird is somewhat larger than, and very much resembles a magpie, but the proportion of white is greater, and there is no metallic or varied tint on the black feathers as on the European bird. In South Australia it is a winter bird, and his clear fine note was always the most heard on the coldest morning, as if that temperature best suited him. All the species of this genus are easily domesticated, and learn to pipe tunes. They are mischievous birds about a house, but are useful in a garden. I had one that ranged the fields to a great distance round the house, but always returned to sleep in it.”
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Names of things like animals are a huge slowly moving feast of entrenched errors and wrong connections. In the end they mean what we choose. Ground Butcherbird probably makes sense by virtue of real affinities but how many Australian people, let alone Collingwood football fans are going to make the change from Magpie? The name of penguin is based on the Great Auk…….. wombats are often called badgers, koalas are called bears, lyrebirds are called pheasants, our magpies are given the same magpie name as the very different magpie of Eurasia, etc. Although I don’t see what is wrong with the name it commemorates the black & white scheme………….. —–Original Message—– Greg and Val Clancy Sent: Friday, 14 August 2015 1:10 PM Cc: birding-aus Hi Denise, What do you suggest as the new name for the bandicoots? Greg Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 12:51 PM Cc: Doug Holly ; birding-aus Im waiting for bandicoot (originally the name of an Indian rodent) to change! Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow PO Box 71 Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841 043 8650 835 PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW. Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia Nominated by Earthfoot for Condé Nasts International Ecotourism Award, 2004. With every introduction of a plant or animal that goes feral this continent becomes a little less unique, a little less Australian. On 14 Aug 2015, at 11:37 am, Greg and Val Clancy < gclancy@tpg.com.au> wrote: When I correct a birding friend of mine who is hell bent on referring to our Black-necked (Satin) Stork as a Jabiru (a South American stork) he responds by saying well the Australian Magpie is not a real magpie, and I agree with him. We changed ‘warbler’ to ‘Gerygone’ and there have been other changes so I propose that, since the Australian Magpie is now in the genus Cracticus with the butcherbirds, that we change its name to ‘Ground Butcherbird’. I am now entering my air raid bunker and securely locking the hatch!!!! Greg Dr Greg. P. Clancy Ecologist and Birding-wildlife Guide | PO Box 63 Coutts Crossing NSW 2460 | 02 6649 3153 | 0429 601 960 http://www.gregclancyecologistguide.com http://gregswildliferamblings.blogspot.com.au/ —–Original Message—– From: Doug Holly Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 8:56 AM To: Birding Aus Subject: [Birding-Aus] Piping Shrike is South Aus emblemic bird There has always been confusion over this name because Piping Shrike was used as the name of the White-backed Magpie when the South Aust constitution was written. Identification of the birdEdit Because the name piping shrike is not used to identify any bird, there has been some confusion over what bird it represents. While some think it resembles the Murray magpie (Grallina cyanoleuca), the original reports specify that it is based on the Australian magpie , [1] and government sources specify the subspecies as the white-backed magpie (Cracticus tibicen telonocua formerly Gymnorhina tibicen leuconota). [4] The connection of this bird to the name piping shrike can be seen in this early observation by explorer Charles Sturt in the 1840s: “GYMNORHINA LEUCONOTA GOULD., The White-backed Crow Shrike. This bird is somewhat larger than, and very much resembles a magpie, but the proportion of white is greater, and there is no metallic or varied tint on the black feathers as on the European bird. In South Australia it is a winter bird, and his clear fine note was always the most heard on the coldest morning, as if that temperature best suited him. All the species of this genus are easily domesticated, and learn to pipe tunes. They are mischievous birds about a house, but are useful in a garden. I had one that ranged the fields to a great distance round the house, but always returned to sleep in it.”
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No need to retreat to the air-raid shelter, Greg. We’re out of town and will be heading off in the K’van for a few months. There was a Jabiru on the Cowper swamp as we went past this morning, along with 6 Black Swans. Will report all Jabiru sightings. Peter The conservation battle is never finally won; the development battle is.
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Hi Denise, What do you suggest as the new name for the bandicoots? Greg Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 12:51 PM Cc: Doug Holly ; birding-aus I’m waiting for ‘bandicoot’ (originally the name of an Indian rodent) to change! Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow PO Box 71 Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841 043 8650 835 PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW. Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia Nominated by Earthfoot for Condé Nast’s International Ecotourism Award, 2004. With every introduction of a plant or animal that goes feral this continent becomes a little less unique, a little less Australian. On 14 Aug 2015, at 11:37 am, Greg and Val Clancy < gclancy@tpg.com.au> wrote: When I correct a birding friend of mine who is hell bent on referring to our Black-necked (Satin) Stork as a Jabiru (a South American stork) he responds by saying well the Australian Magpie is not a real magpie, and I agree with him. We changed ‘warbler’ to ‘Gerygone’ and there have been other changes so I propose that, since the Australian Magpie is now in the genus Cracticus with the butcherbirds, that we change its name to ‘Ground Butcherbird’. I am now entering my air raid bunker and securely locking the hatch!!!! Greg Dr Greg. P. Clancy Ecologist and Birding-wildlife Guide | PO Box 63 Coutts Crossing NSW 2460 | 02 6649 3153 | 0429 601 960 http://www.gregclancyecologistguide.com http://gregswildliferamblings.blogspot.com.au/ —–Original Message—– From: Doug Holly Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 8:56 AM To: Birding Aus Subject: [Birding-Aus] Piping Shrike is South Aus emblemic bird There has always been confusion over this name because Piping Shrike was used as the name of the White-backed Magpie when the South Aust constitution was written. Identification of the birdEdit Because the name piping shrike is not used to identify any bird, there has been some confusion over what bird it represents. While some think it resembles the Murray magpie (Grallina cyanoleuca), the original reports specify that it is based on the Australian magpie , [1] and government sources specify the subspecies as the white-backed magpie (Cracticus tibicen telonocua formerly Gymnorhina tibicen leuconota). [4] The connection of this bird to the name piping shrike can be seen in this early observation by explorer Charles Sturt in the 1840s: “GYMNORHINA LEUCONOTA GOULD., The White-backed Crow Shrike. This bird is somewhat larger than, and very much resembles a magpie, but the proportion of white is greater, and there is no metallic or varied tint on the black feathers as on the European bird. In South Australia it is a winter bird, and his clear fine note was always the most heard on the coldest morning, as if that temperature best suited him. All the species of this genus are easily domesticated, and learn to pipe tunes. They are mischievous birds about a house, but are useful in a garden. I had one that ranged the fields to a great distance round the house, but always returned to sleep in it.”
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I’m waiting for ‘bandicoot’ (originally the name of an Indian rodent) to change! Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow PO Box 71 Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841 043 8650 835 PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW. Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia Nominated by Earthfoot for Condé Nast’s International Ecotourism Award, 2004. With every introduction of a plant or animal that goes feral this continent becomes a little less unique, a little less Australian. On 14 Aug 2015, at 11:37 am, Greg and Val Clancy < gclancy@tpg.com.au> wrote:
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Change the Maggie’s name?? Try for something easier first. Put your chair on the beach and command the waves to go back.
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When I correct a birding friend of mine who is hell bent on referring to our Black-necked (Satin) Stork as a Jabiru (a South American stork) he responds by saying well the Australian Magpie is not a real magpie, and I agree with him. We changed ‘warbler’ to ‘Gerygone’ and there have been other changes so I propose that, since the Australian Magpie is now in the genus Cracticus with the butcherbirds, that we change its name to ‘Ground Butcherbird’. I am now entering my air raid bunker and securely locking the hatch!!!! Greg Dr Greg. P. Clancy Ecologist and Birding-wildlife Guide | PO Box 63 Coutts Crossing NSW 2460 | 02 6649 3153 | 0429 601 960 http://www.gregclancyecologistguide.com http://gregswildliferamblings.blogspot.com.au/ —–Original Message—– Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 8:56 AM There has always been confusion over this name because Piping Shrike was used as the name of the White-backed Magpie when the South Aust constitution was written. Identification of the birdEdit Because the name piping shrike is not used to identify any bird, there has been some confusion over what bird it represents. While some think it resembles the Murray magpie (Grallina cyanoleuca), the original reports specify that it is based on the Australian magpie , [1] and government sources specify the subspecies as the white-backed magpie (Cracticus tibicen telonocua formerly Gymnorhina tibicen leuconota). [4] The connection of this bird to the name piping shrike can be seen in this early observation by explorer Charles Sturt in the 1840s: “GYMNORHINA LEUCONOTA GOULD., The White-backed Crow Shrike. This bird is somewhat larger than, and very much resembles a magpie, but the proportion of white is greater, and there is no metallic or varied tint on the black feathers as on the European bird. In South Australia it is a winter bird, and his clear fine note was always the most heard on the coldest morning, as if that temperature best suited him. All the species of this genus are easily domesticated, and learn to pipe tunes. They are mischievous birds about a house, but are useful in a garden. I had one that ranged the fields to a great distance round the house, but always returned to sleep in it.”
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Also should be noted that the South Australians call their footy team the Crows so clearly nomenclature is not their strong suit… —–Original Message—– Martin Butterfield Sent: Friday, 14 August 2015 8:58 AM Cc: Birding Aus I had assumed that the need for editing suggested by Carl was due to the reference to the *real* vernacular name of *Grallina cyanoleuca*, which is Murray Magpie. No-one in South Australia would dream of calling these birds such odd names as Peewee (a North American flycatcher) or Mudlark (a game of Rugby in damp conditions) and only serious birders would use .Magpie Lark. Martin Martin Butterfield http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/ On 14 August 2015 at 08:48, Doug Holly < dholly3@bigpond.com> wrote: leuconota).
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Well if you look at the bird actually depicted on the flag, it is not a white backed magpie because it isn’t uniformly black underneath. It isn’t a great representation of a magpie-lark either (no white eyebrow, and only white flecks on the wings rather than fully white underwings,) but it’s closer than to a magpie. Or to a Pied butcherbird, which has the black hood but even more white underwing. Basically whoever designed the flag was no John Gould. —–Original Message—– Martin Butterfield Sent: Friday, 14 August 2015 8:58 AM Cc: Birding Aus I had assumed that the need for editing suggested by Carl was due to the reference to the *real* vernacular name of *Grallina cyanoleuca*, which is Murray Magpie. No-one in South Australia would dream of calling these birds such odd names as Peewee (a North American flycatcher) or Mudlark (a game of Rugby in damp conditions) and only serious birders would use .Magpie Lark. Martin Martin Butterfield http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/ On 14 August 2015 at 08:48, Doug Holly < dholly3@bigpond.com> wrote: leuconota).
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I had assumed that the need for editing suggested by Carl was due to the reference to the *real* vernacular name of *Grallina cyanoleuca*, which is Murray Magpie. No-one in South Australia would dream of calling these birds such odd names as Peewee (a North American flycatcher) or Mudlark (a game of Rugby in damp conditions) and only serious birders would use .Magpie Lark. Martin Martin Butterfield http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/ On 14 August 2015 at 08:48, Doug Holly < dholly3@bigpond.com> wrote:
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