OK, so it seems the much-touted ability to post photos to the list is not functional. I have uploaded the female dulcis pic to ALA – which I support as a good way to upload photos with heaps of useful metadata. Sightings sometimes take a while to enter the full database (vetted I suppose?) but in the meantime it should be visible here (?): http://sightings.ala.org.au/recent If anyones interested I can send them to you directly. Regards Martin
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People would be very very olucky to find any grasswrens at Gunlom now. When I visited last September, the entire area around Gunlom was severely burnt, with only a few bits unburnt in the gulleys above the falls. Reports say they’ve not been seen for several years – not surprising. On 10 May 2015 at 20:10, carl billingham < carlbillingham@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
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Hello again Martin, Thank you so much for the extra dulcis pics, particularly the winter males. Until now I had no idea they looked like that – so far as I can see they’ve never been illustrated in any of the guides, even in HANZAB. I assume the first pic with the bi-coloured bill is a young bird. That white eye-ring is quite distinctive and I can see why they were once regarded as being closer to Lovely Fairy-wrens than Variegated. It would be interesting to see pics of the intermediate forms from, say, on the Roper. The Directory says that even some females from on the Macarthur have a bluish tone. Cheers Graeme On 09/05/2015, at 12:53 PM, Martin Cake wrote:
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I agree, it often doesn’t matter, but it does matter when people start competing to see the highest number of species, or reporting them to the various databases. In order to compare counts, people’s standards need to be similar or it leads to accusations of cheating. And it would be a pity if the databases contained possible sightings, like your Grey Falcons, reported as definites (which I assume you didn’t). Peter Shute Sent from my iPad
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I agree with Allan but ultimately someone’s tick list is their business and whatever rules or criteria they wish to use, whether considered silly or not by me or someone else is their business and we can agree to disagree and maybe get a laugh from it. Some will include birds caught by someone else on a banding trip (e.g. you are on a beach in Broome and see thousands of waders but the only one of a particular species you see is one caught for banding), others won’t include it, or your only record of a Sooty Owl, Scrub-bird, etc. is hearing it, or a seabird found alive beach washed by yourself or someone else, that dies soon after, at what point does someone include it or not….. Three times I believe I have seen a Grey Falcon but never been certain but I’m pretty sure they weren’t something else. Does it matter? Not really. Should anyone else care? Certainly not. Philip —–Original Message—– Allan Richardson Sent: Saturday, 9 May 2015 11:00 PM Cc: Martin Cake; birding-aus-request@birding-aus.org HI Peter, It is obvious, I think, that all members of a species are just that, and to deny you’ve seen one when you actually have, on the grounds that it’s plumage is not distinctive enough for it to be accepted is as silly as suggesting that a female as distinctive as any male would be worthy of the ticking privilege in the absence of an adult male – I thought that was clear? Happy birding Allan race of the Variegated Fairy-wren where the female is very different to the southern races, whereas the male is very similar? finches near Top Springs Roadhouse – it was actually a challenge to ID and I would love to see a full adult male, but it is definately on my list! of White-winged Fairy-wrens, but all we saw were females, and funnily enough he wouldn’t tick the species on his list until he had seen a coloured up male. Oh didn’t we get into a debate on whether the fairer sex could take offence to such a notion, but he wouldn’t see it any other way. I defy him not to tick this taxa on a female alone…
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HI Peter, It is obvious, I think, that all members of a species are just that, and to deny you’ve seen one when you actually have, on the grounds that it’s plumage is not distinctive enough for it to be accepted is as silly as suggesting that a female as distinctive as any male would be worthy of the ticking privilege in the absence of an adult male – I thought that was clear? Happy birding Allan
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An interesting concept – would they then tick the Top End or Kimberley race of the Variegated Fairy-wren where the female is very different to the southern races, whereas the male is very similar? The one Gouldian Finch I have seen was a juvenile bird amongst a flock of finches near Top Springs Roadhouse – it was actually a challenge to ID and I would love to see a full adult male, but it is definately on my list! Chers, Peter
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You could post them on the BA Facebook page. Carl Clifford
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Agree with Graeme Martin – that is a cracking bird (aren’t they all?). I once showed a young birder (who will remain nameless) a family group of White-winged Fairy-wrens, but all we saw were females, and funnily enough he wouldn’t tick the species on his list until he had seen a coloured up male. Oh didn’t we get into a debate on whether the fairer sex could take offence to such a notion, but he wouldn’t see it any other way. I defy him not to tick this taxa on a female alone……. Thanks for sharing, Allan
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