Hi all, Regarding subspecies, does anyone have (or known of) a list or some detail info the different subspecies across the country? I began copying and picking out all the information from the IOC document including all the birds of the world and then thought there must be an easier way! Thought I better get on and start that subspecies list for future ticks (or lumps I guess) All the best, James Mustafa 0400 951 517 www.jamesmustafajazzorchestra.com
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Hi Noel, We list all subspecies, but not the intergrades as they are not “taxonomic” units per say, but we have a list of all hybrid zones and all are mapped (from the work of Schodde and Mason and more recent world). The Birdata system will use these layers and do the subspecies classification in the background in most cases, but it will offer users choice of specifying a subspecies If they want to, where >1 subspecies occurs – but only the subspecies which co-occur in the exact location will be offered as choices and this will always be optional and un-intrusive. Probably far more detail that you want… but FYI there are 553 combinations of terrestrial subspecies intragrades in Australia currently the vast majority of which are “2-way” zones, but can be up to 5-way (Varied Sitella in central Qld). Of course actual subspecies hybrids can probably be identified?, but I suspect very rarely so, and are a level probably well beyond the interest of anyone in the field? Cheers, Glenn On 5 Oct 2015, at 3:36 pm, Noel Luff < noelluff@gmail.comnoelluff@gmail.com>> wrote: This all very well having a name for each sub-species. I was wondering how the list handles intergrades between the sub-species, presumably one refers to the species name only. On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Glenn Ehmke < Glenn.Ehmke@birdlife.org.au Glenn.Ehmke@birdlife.org.au>> wrote: Hi James, Great to hear discussion around subspecies on Birding-Aus! BirdLife Australia offers a comprehensive list of all Australian subspecies through the Working List of Australian Birds (WALB). This list is build on decades of research by many taxonomists and conservation researchers. It includes taxonomic notes as well as conservation classifications for all species and subspecies. The current version is available below – although an update of this (with quite a lot of changes to subspecies and species arising from recent research and recent additions to the Australian list from the rarities committee) will be out before years end. There is also a short section on subspecies on the below webpage. Classifications for IOC, C&B and Clements are also included if your that way inclined. http://www.birdlife.org.au/taxonomy We have recently implemented proper vernacular names for all subspecies (a peer-reviewed paper is currently in review outlining this process), extending the critical work of the English Names Committee who have worked tirelessly for 30 years to provide our birds with the sensible identities that have been so important to all conservation efforts. We will also be offering functionality for birders to record subspecies detail in the new version of Birdata (which will be released within the next 6 months) as many people have called for this for quite a long time. This is an important as we have often lacked critical information on threatened subspecies in particular in the past and of course BirdLife Australia’s position is that all subspecies are equal to species in terms of conservation value. The Birdata system will usually attribute subspecies detail based on survey coordinates automatically and will only offer manual subspecies selections where subspecies co-occur to keep the data entry burden low. Cheers, Glenn Hi all, Regarding subspecies, does anyone have (or known of) a list or some detail info the different subspecies across the country? I began copying and picking out all the information from the IOC document including all the birds of the world and then thought there must be an easier way! Thought I better get on and start that subspecies list for future ticks (or lumps I guess) All the best, James Mustafa 0400 951 517 http://www.jamesmustafajazzorchestra.com
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This all very well having a name for each sub-species. I was wondering how the list handles intergrades between the sub-species, presumably one refers to the species name only. On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Glenn Ehmke < Glenn.Ehmke@birdlife.org.au> wrote:
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That’s correct – you can download the list here: http://www.birdlife.org.au/conservation/science/taxonomy cheers, James James O’Connor | Head of Research BirdLife Australia Suite 2-05, 60 Leicester Street, Carlton VIC 3053 T 03 9347 0757 | F 03 9347 9323 james.oconnor@birdlife.org.au | birdlife.org.au ABN 75 149 124 774 —–Original Message—– Sent: Thursday, 1 October 2015 7:36 PM Cc: birding-aus-request@birding-aus.org I’m pretty sure the Working list of Australian birds from the Birdlife Australia website has all the sub-species as well as their different status under IOC, C&B and Clements.
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I’m pretty sure the Working list of Australian birds from the Birdlife Australia website has all the sub-species as well as their different status under IOC, C&B and Clements.
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G’day James I can’t recommend Scythebill enough as a way to keep track of all your records including IOC subspecies. Cheers Steve Clark Hamilton, Vic
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