All The Birds of the World: Review

The present subspecies are taken from the 2-volume BLI/HBW Checklist.

 

Birdlife Australia regards them as important for Birdlife Australia conservation purposes.   From BLA website:

 

However, defining all Australia’s bird taxa (species and subspecies) does matter for conservation; it is difficult to monitor and protect birds if they are not defined as taxonomic units. Past approaches have seen  data collected only at a species level, using static taxonomic classifications which are reviewed infrequently. Because species classifications can be unstable (‘splits’ and ‘lumps’ occur over time), the data collected on a species at one point in time does not always match species classifications in the future. This can result in significant data gaps. For some bird taxa  there is  little, or even no data at all, including for some threatened species. For conservation purposes, it is very important to collect data at a level commensurate with BirdLife Australia’s conservation goals and to ensure  the data is consistent with international conservation organisations and includes up-to-date conservation assessments.

 

There is more at https://birdlife.org.au/conservation/science/taxonomy

 

The BLA ‘Working List’ was not intended for ticking.  However, subspecies are becoming more fashionable. Ebird  is now making provision for ticking some subspecies (‘subspecies groups’).  If you tick a subspecies you are ‘rewarded’ by automatic credit for the species when the split occurs..  

 

From: Dave Torr <davidtorr@gmail.com&gt;
Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 2020 1:45 PM
To: Geoffrey Dabb <gdabb@iinet.net.au&gt;
Cc: Phil Gregory <oreornis@gmail.com&gt;; Birding Aus <birding-aus@birding-aus.org&gt;
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] All The Birds of the World: Review

 

If Birdlife Australia makes no independent taxonomic judgments and BLI does no deal with subspecies how come BLA lists them?

 

On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 12:21, Geoffrey Dabb <gdabb@iinet.net.au> wrote:

Yes.  We are talking about the strange and shifting world of global lists.  Noel mentioned different global lists, and Phil commented on different taxonomic approaches, including ‘Birdlife’.  This must mean Birdlife International (BLI), as Birdlife Australia makes no independent taxonomic judgments. Until version 9.1 in 2017 BLI offered a checklist (no subspecies), stating on its website that it did not have the resources to be a taxonomic authority (and giving its views on various taxonomic issues) .  In December 2017 BLI published a joint checklist with Lynx Edicions, the last of that series being in December 2019. (This can be found in Avibase, with no subspecies.)  Birdlife Australia has adopted the species and subspecies published in the 2-volume BLI/HBW (Lynx Edicions) checklist.  Since then Lynx Edicions has taken its ‘Birds of the World’ label (and its subspecies) and joined forces with Cornell Lab (Clements/eBird etc).  I do not know what BLI will do about maintaining its checklist, but when last on their own they had no interest in subspecies.

 

I am sorry for the very compressed message below.   This was intended to draw attention to the untidy position (admitted on the Cornell Lab website) that the Cornell Lab/HBW merger is now in .  This affects, for example, ‘Grey Whistler P. simplex’ which might or might not be an Australian endemic, depending which part of the species entry on the Cornell Lab website you read.

 

I might further strain the patience of subscribers by mentioning yet another twist. When BLI/HBW split the P. simplex complex they kept the English name ‘Grey  Whistler’ for the Northern Territory whistlers.  When it was pointed out that those particular whistlers were brown, Birdlife Australia used ‘Brown Whistler’ for P. simplex in its ‘Working List’.  However in Australian Bird Guide they remain ‘Grey’ because the complex is not split in the IOC list which ABG follows.  (Nonetheless the NT range is coloured brown in the range map.)

 

From: Dave Torr <davidtorr@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 2020 8:43 AM
To: Geoffrey Dabb <gdabb@iinet.net.au>
Cc: Phil Gregory <oreornis@gmail.com>; Birding Aus <birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] All The Birds of the World: Review

 

But BirdLife Australia does do subspecies!

 

On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 08:41, Geoffrey Dabb <gdabb@iinet.net.au> wrote:

Birdlife by itself did not do subspecies.  Cornell Lab has now swallowed HBW but the digestion process has its difficulties. Look at the jumbled entry for ‘Grey Whistler P. simplex’.  Has it been counted as an Australian endemic species?  Consider also the shrike-tits.

 

From: Phil Gregory <oreornis@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, 9 November 2020 11:01 AM
To: Geoffrey Dabb <gdabb@iinet.net.au>
Cc: Noel Luff <noelluff@gmail.com>; Birding Aus <birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] All The Birds of the World: Review

 

Birdlife hands down, then IOC……

Phil Gregory

ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator

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On 9 Nov 2020, at 9:42 AM, Geoffrey Dabb <gdabb@iinet.net.au> wrote:

 

Shades of that old cold war question: ‘Who has the best Germans?’  Who has the most creative taxonomists?

 

From: Birding-Aus <birding-aus-bounces@birding-aus.org> On Behalf Of Phil Gregory
Sent: Monday, 9 November 2020 10:12 AM
To: Noel Luff <noelluff@gmail.com>
Cc: Birding Aus <birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] All The Birds of the World: Review

 

Hmm, I don’t agree with those endemic totals no matter which checklist you follow, Papua New Guinea actually has something like 415 and the whole New Guinea region 481, and that’s not with the BirdLife taxonomy which would be higher, I’d place Australia third after Indonesia then PNG.

 

Phil Gregory

ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator

Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
PO Box 597
Malanda
QLD 4885
Australia

Ph: +61 7 4096 8063 

Email: info@s2travel.com.au
Website1: http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel

 

 

 

 

 

On 9 Nov 2020, at 7:14 AM, Noel Luff <noelluff@gmail.com> wrote:

 

t is also possible to download a list of endemics for each country. Australia ranks second for (369) behind Indonesia (557)

 

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