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Back from a couple of weeks on the road. A belated sighting for people heading out that way – I came across large groups of Flock Bronzewings flying [presumably to their evening roosts] late in the afternoon on Sunday 2 August in the vicinity of the junction of the Diamantina and Birdsville Development Roads.
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There are programs in place to control both cats and rats, but both are very resource intensive and don’t offer long term solutions to either problem. While these pests have been eradicated from some oceanic islands, Norfolk would provide some pretty significant challenges in this respect for a number of reasons. Firstly its size, roughly 8km x 5km, and its shape mean that it would hard to bite off in ‘chunks’. More than 2/3 of this island in private ownership, a lot of it under agricultural use, and a population of about 1800, which means that the social aspects of eradication are just as challenging, perhaps even moreso, than the scientific ones.
The national park is only 15% of the island and even there, a huge amount of resources is put in to just keeping the cats and rats at bay, the amount of rat bait stations is currently being doubled to about 2000. The effort is showing rewards, as outlined in the previous message, but a reduction in effort would likely see that progress go backwards, and quickly, meaning that resources that would be better spent in managing weeds and recovering the threatened plants get perpetually tied up in feral animal management. The difficult financial situation Norfolk Island has found itself in recent years also means that control programs in the local reserves, such as Hundred Acres, have been very limited.
It’s not all doom and gloom however. Hopefully there will be moves to start to tighten up some cat control in the coming years, even in my time here I’m seeing a change in local attitudes. With regard to the rats, it will be technology, not human effort, that eventually rids the island of its rats. With no native land mammals at all, Norfolk would appear well placed for any future rodent biological control, should such an effective mechanism ever occur. I really don’t believe rodents will be poisoned or trapped off an island of this size, with so many people on it.
The recent boom of Bird Week attendances on Norfolk Island has been a great reminder of the potential economic benefit of conserving our special local species. The recovery of Phillip Island, which is without cats and rats, also opens up opportunity to use it for back-up populations of Norfolk’s species there too. All four endemics previously occurred on Phillip Island, none are there now. It also opens up the fascinating prospect of whether some species that are now extinct on Norfolk Island but present elsewhere could be re-introduced, but that’s a much bigger question.
Craig Doolan
Hi Craig,
Thanks for the detailed report about the birds on Norfolk Island. I was
wondering though as cats & rats are having a big impact on bird numbers and
breeding attempts if there are programs to control or eliminate them?
From Jenny Stiles, Sydney
Thanks for the report and good news.
Can’t wait to go there one day
Well done
Steve
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I should clarify that del Hoyo & Collar are the chief editors of “Illustrated Checklist of the Birds of the World. Vol. 1”. Species accounts for Cacatuidae were compiled by the late Ian Rowley. So it may have been Ian who interpreted the findings of White et al. and this was accepted by the editors. Cheers, Stephen Stephen Ambrose Ryde, NSW —–Original Message—– Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 12:57 PM Interestingly the text of the White et al. paper gives a time of the divergence of the two subgenera as 10.1 Ma while their Figure 2 gives it as 15.2 Ma. It isn’t obvious from the text why this discrepancy occurs – perhaps their supplementary data may help but I don’t currently have that available to check. The amount of time that has passed since two taxa diverged is not in itself a basis of degree of separation – whether it be species, subgenus, genus or family. It is the degree of generic difference that is the key factor. Some taxa can rapidly diverge from each other while others can remain little changed after the initial divergence. To my mind the divergence of species within the traditional Calyptorrhynchus is pretty small given it occurred at least 10 M if not 15 Ma. ago. If del Hoyo & Collar want to elevate Zanda to full genus status I think they have to be a bit more expansive in why than just saying than “DNA study indicates that recognition is warranted”, especially when the ones doing that DNA work were happy to have it as a subgenus of Calyptorhynchus. My suspicion would be that they misinterpreted the comments in White et al. cheers, Mike Owen on Jan-16 10:30 AM, Perkins, Harvey wrote: (15.2 MY) in the White et al paper is deeper than that between Eolophus (galah) and Callocepahalon (gang-gang) (12.4 MY), and that between those two and the Cacatuine/Lophochroa lineage (14.6MY). I suspect that del Hoyo and Collar interpreted this to mean that Calyptorhynchus should therefore be split.
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Interestingly the text of the White et al. paper gives a time of the divergence of the two subgenera as 10.1 Ma while their Figure 2 gives it as 15.2 Ma. It isn’t obvious from the text why this discrepancy occurs – perhaps their supplementary data may help but I don’t currently have that available to check. The amount of time that has passed since two taxa diverged is not in itself a basis of degree of separation – whether it be species, subgenus, genus or family. It is the degree of generic difference that is the key factor. Some taxa can rapidly diverge from each other while others can remain little changed after the initial divergence. To my mind the divergence of species within the traditional Calyptorrhynchus is pretty small given it occurred at least 10 M if not 15 Ma. ago. If del Hoyo & Collar want to elevate Zanda to full genus status I think they have to be a bit more expansive in why than just saying than “DNA study indicates that recognition is warranted”, especially when the ones doing that DNA work were happy to have it as a subgenus of Calyptorhynchus. My suspicion would be that they misinterpreted the comments in White et al. cheers, Mike Owen on Jan-16 10:30 AM, Perkins, Harvey wrote:
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The depth of the fork between the Calyptorhynchus and Zanda subgenera (15.2 MY) in the White et al paper is deeper than that between Eolophus (galah) and Callocepahalon (gang-gang) (12.4 MY), and that between those two and the Cacatuine/Lophochroa lineage (14.6MY). I suspect that del Hoyo and Collar interpreted this to mean that Calyptorhynchus should therefore be split. Harvey Dr Harvey Perkins A/g Assistant Manager CRC Contracts, DFCTC & Legacy Programmes AusIndustry – Business Services Phone +61 2 6213 7472 Internet: business.gov.au —–Original Message—– Sent: Friday, 8 January 2016 11:01 AM Thanks Mike. I did not have access to White et al. (2011), I was just relying on the citations from del Hoyo & Collar (2014) and Winkler et al. (2015), based on a quick literature search. del Hoyo & Collar (2014) state in relation to genus Zanda (p. 700): “Previously included in Calyptorhynchus, but DNA study indicates that recognition is warranted (White et al. 2011).” There is no further comment about the DNA study in Winkler et al. (2015) (p. 261), but they have used the Zanda upgrade to genus level by del Hoyo & Collar (2014). The species profile for Zanda funerea in the IUCN Red List for Threatened species states “Zanda funerea (del Hoyo and Collar 2014) was previously placed in the genus Calyptorhynchus as C. funereus.” So, it looks like del Hoyo & Collar (2014) either misquoted White et al. (2011) or, as you say, decided to upgrade Zanda to genus based on what they read, and this has been picked up in subsequent publications. Kind regards, Stephen Stephen Ambrose Ryde, NSW —–Original Message—– Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 10:37 PM I have just been looking at my copy of White et al. (2011) and they do not appear to suggest that /Calyptorhynchus/ be separated into two separate genera but rather say their DNA work supports Schodde’s (1997) recognition of the two subgenera – /C. (Calyptorhynchus)/ and /C. (Zanda)/ – on page 620, 2nd paragraph of the paper. So if the subsequent authors are suggesting the recognition of two separate genera that must be be their decision rather than one made by White et al. cheers, Mike Owen On 07-Jan-16 8:59 AM, Stephen Ambrose wrote:
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Perhaps we ought to limit this discussion to how it might benefit birders. Would this be a more effective way of noting locations, passing them on to others, and relocating in the field? Peter Shute Sent from my iPhone
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You must have a pretty small block, seeing as it works on 3m x 3m squares. For those in apartment blocks, well I reckon adding the floor and/or apartment number to the 3 word code would work pretty well. It does where there are street names and numbers. Carl Clifford
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More amused than bemused…. Depending on which part of my block I select I’d have close to 100 different 3-word addresses! And my letter box would be different to my front door. And what happens with people in multi-storey apartment blocks??? Harvey HarPer’s Bizarre – a naturalist’s miscellany at http://hdpphd.blogspot.com.au/ —–Original Message—– Sent: Thursday, 24 September 2015 2:46 PM What I meant was how do you stand in a particular spot and find out the “word” address? Or the address for the hut by the creek? If the addresses are defined by geographic squares then that means lat & long (or eastings and northings etc.) How else would you find the lat & long but with a GPS? (Is there a “sextants for dummies” book?)
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Hi all, I’m in the field this week so don’t have references to hand. However, it appears the IOC are quite confused on this issue too. In IOC version 5.3 (the current version) they treat castanotum as Chestnut and clarum + fordianum as Copperback. However, in version 5.2 (the one the BARC list is based on) they treated fordianum + castenotum as Chestnut and clarum as monotypic Copperback. Dolman & Joseph consider fordianum to be a dubius subspecies anyway. Dolman & Joseph recognised a deep and ancient gulf in mDNA that did not show up as morphological differences, but I’ll have to look closely at their sampling locations to find where the ‘gulf’ occurs. Nevertheless, I would think a difference in mDNA would not be very meaningful as a species indicator between catanotum (in the narrow sense) and clarum (in the narrow sense) if there is a big hybrid zone between them. As Peter points out, Schodde and Mason (1999) have the best maps availabe for passerine distribution and hybrid zones. However, I know several examples where the maps are not very accurate and I have questioned (in my book review in Sunbird) how many hybrid specimens they examined to allow their confident mapping of hybrid zones. There actually ae not many hybrid specimens in the museums so the maps presumably involve plenty of guess work and speculation. The truth is usually a lot more complicated than the publications suggest. Cheers, David James Sydney ============================== From: Peter Ewin < sittella@hotmail.com> To: “Perkins, Harvey” < harvey.perkins@industry.gov.au>; ‘martin cachard’ < mcachard@hotmail.com>; Tony Russell < pratincole08@gmail.com>; david james < burunglaut07@yahoo.com>; “birding-aus@birding-aus.org” < birding-aus@birding-aus.org> Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2015, 19:01 Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] Copperback Quail-thrush [SEC=UNOFFICIAL] #yiv0835737114 #yiv0835737114 –.yiv0835737114hmmessage P{margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv0835737114 body.yiv0835737114hmmessage{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv0835737114 I thought this discussion had been resolved last time this split was discussed about 3 months ago! However, to add to the confusion, if you look at Schodde & Mason (1999) which is the best distribution reference for subspecies of passerines in Australia, the siyuation is complex. clarum and fordianum interbreed on an extensive front in both SW WA and western SA. However, in central SA all three ‘former’ subpecies interbreed (particularly on the Eyre Peninulsa) and only ‘pure’ castanotus occutrs east of Spencer Gulf (Port Augusta) – immediately west of here is castanotus/clarum hybirds. This is I assume based on assessment of a number of specimens, and also on the paper Ford (1981) which was published in Emu. I am certain I will get comments on my terminology here (and I haven’t read the recent paper proposing the split) but the Quail-thrush are quite variable (with some suggestions on plumage reflecting soil colours) and so to be confident of which species you can tick would need to be well into the range of each subspecies (I haven’t seen fordianum, and have only heard clarum near Uluru, so this is one split that hasn’t made my list yet). Cheers, Peter
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I thought this discussion had been resolved last time this split was discussed about 3 months ago! However, to add to the confusion, if you look at Schodde & Mason (1999) which is the best distribution reference for subspecies of passerines in Australia, the siyuation is complex. clarum and fordianum interbreed on an extensive front in both SW WA and western SA. However, in central SA all three ‘former’ subpecies interbreed (particularly on the Eyre Peninulsa) and only ‘pure’ castanotus occutrs east of Spencer Gulf (Port Augusta) – immediately west of here is castanotus/clarum hybirds. This is I assume based on assessment of a number of specimens, and also on the paper Ford (1981) which was published in Emu. I am certain I will get comments on my terminology here (and I haven’t read the recent paper proposing the split) but the Quail-thrush are quite variable (with some suggestions on plumage reflecting soil colours) and so to be confident of which species you can tick would need to be well into the range of each subspecies (I haven’t seen fordianum, and have only heard clarum near Uluru, so this is one split that hasn’t made my list yet). Cheers, Peter
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Thank you both Harvey and John. Some clarity at last. Tony. —–Original Message—– Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2015 10:15 AM If you look at the IOC List (which is what the BARC List is based on): Chestnut Quail-thrush is just C. castanotum, and Copperback Quail-thrush is clarum and fordianum. Harvey Dr Harvey Perkins CRC Programme Liaison Officer Phone +61 2 6213 7472 Email: Harvey.Perkins@industry.gov.au —–Original Message—– martin cachard Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2015 9:31 AM No, not yet Tony. But I haven’t read the Emu paper as yet though… does anybody else out there on-list know the answer to my questions?? cheers, martin cachard, trinity beach, cairns…
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Thank you to Jon & Harvey for that, cheers !! martin cachard, cairns.
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If you look at the IOC List (which is what the BARC List is based on): Chestnut Quail-thrush is just C. castanotum, and Copperback Quail-thrush is clarum and fordianum. Harvey Dr Harvey Perkins CRC Programme Liaison Officer Phone +61 2 6213 7472 Email: Harvey.Perkins@industry.gov.au —–Original Message—– Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2015 9:31 AM No, not yet Tony. But I haven’t read the Emu paper as yet though… does anybody else out there on-list know the answer to my questions?? cheers, martin cachard, trinity beach, cairns…
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Hi Martin, It’s split from Chestnut QT and has a distribution of west-central to central Australia, so the n-w of the superspecies distribution. I can’t tell you the exact boundaries. The split is based on Dolman & Joseph 2015, Emu 115: 37-48. A cryptic species so field ID is based on distribution pretty much. Cheers, David James Sydney ============================== From: martin cachard < mcachard@hotmail.com> To: david james < burunglaut07@yahoo.com>; “birding-aus@birding-aus.org” < birding-aus@birding-aus.org> Sent: Monday, 10 August 2015, 10:36 Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] BARC Checklist v2015Jul is released (21 Jul 2015) [SEC=UNOFFICIAL] #yiv9145278529 #yiv9145278529 –.yiv9145278529hmmessage P{margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv9145278529 body.yiv9145278529hmmessage{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}#yiv9145278529 hey David, it’s great that u have done this update, so a collective thank you from me on behalf of the others on this list – I can appreciate how much time this must take from u… one quick one though for u or anyone else on here – the Copperback Quail-thrush refers to which taxon?? thanx again, martin cachard, trinity beach, cairns…
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hey David, it’s great that u have done this update, so a collective thank you from me on behalf of the others on this list – I can appreciate how much time this must take from u… one quick one though for u or anyone else on here – the Copperback Quail-thrush refers to which taxon?? thanx again, martin cachard, trinity beach, cairns…
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Hi All,, sorry about the link issue. I’m not sure why it has been hitting the 2015Jan version of the checklist. I think Tony Palliser has now resolved it. And yes, the change to Australasian Swamphen in v2015Jul is from the pending IOC v5.3, so a little premature. It is the only 5.3 change that snuck in. The IOC are transitioning to v5.3 now any way. Please let me know if you notice any errors so I can fix them in v2016Jan. Cheers, David James Sydney ============================== From: “Perkins, Harvey” < Harvey.Perkins@industry.gov.au> To: ‘Stephen Murray’ < sjmurray3@bigpond.com>; ‘Elliot Leach’ < elliot.leach@griffithuni.edu.au>; ‘John Harris’ < wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com>; ‘Birding_Aus’ < birding-aus@birding-aus.org> Cc: ‘David James’ < burunglaut07@yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015, 16:04 Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] BARC Checklist v2015Jul is released (21 Jul 2015) [SEC=UNOFFICIAL] I also had that problem but went to Tony Palliser’s home page at http://www.tonypalliser.com/ and then clicked on the bottom link (IOC Australian Checklist) which does open the updated July list. Harvey Dr Harvey Perkins CRC Programme Liaison Officer Phone +61 2 6213 7472 Email: Harvey.Perkins@industry.gov.au —–Original Message—– Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 3:24 PM Cc: ‘Birding_Aus’; ‘David James’ I had the same problem. Couldn’t find the new one. Steve Murray —–Original Message—– Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 12:02 PM Cc: Birding_Aus; David James Hi David, The linked checklist is still the Jan 2015 version I think. I might be doing something wrong though. elliot
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I also had that problem but went to Tony Palliser’s home page at http://www.tonypalliser.com/ and then clicked on the bottom link (IOC Australian Checklist) which does open the updated July list. Harvey Dr Harvey Perkins CRC Programme Liaison Officer Phone +61 2 6213 7472 Email: Harvey.Perkins@industry.gov.au —–Original Message—– Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 3:24 PM Cc: ‘Birding_Aus’; ‘David James’ I had the same problem. Couldn’t find the new one. Steve Murray —–Original Message—– Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 12:02 PM Cc: Birding_Aus; David James Hi David, The linked checklist is still the Jan 2015 version I think. I might be doing something wrong though. elliot On 21 July 2015 at 10:21, John Harris < wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com> wrote:
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Interesting that the Purple Swamphen has been changed already to Australasian Swamphen. I thought this split was accepted for IOC version 5.3 (which must be just about due for release) but David’s email specifies that the BARC list is based on v5.2. Just a comment of no consequence… Harvey Canberra HarPer’s Bizarre – a naturalist’s miscellany at http://hdpphd.blogspot.com.au/ —–Original Message—– Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 7:27 AM BARC Checklist v2015Jul is released (21 Jul 2015) Greetings birders, A new version of the BARC Australian Checklist v2015Jul is now available (30 January 2015) via a link at Tony Palliser’s web site. It is downloadable as a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet (BARC_Australian_Checklist_v2015Jul.xls). The website address is: http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/barc-home.html Updated versions of the Unsubstantiated List, the BARC Review List and the Index of BARC cases (with hyperlinks to case summaries) are also available. However, these have now been moved to the Rarities Committee page on the Birdlife Australia site at: http://birdlife.org.au/conservation/science/rarities-committee Like previous versions, this Checklist is intended to follow the IOC World Bird Names checklist to the letter, in terms of species taxonomy, scientific and English names, spelling and sequence. As with previous versions, subspecies are not included. Usually, there are no intended deviations from the IOC list (other than abbreviating it to species and Australia) and there are no novel taxonomic opinions expressed by BARC in that regard. However, in this edition, there is one deviation, the continued inclusion of the extinct Norfolk Ground Dove Gallicolumba norfolciensis on the BARC Checklist. This upgrade includes changes to the IOC list up to 26 April 2015 (Gill, F & D Donsker 2015; IOC World Bird List v 5.2; http://www.worldbirdnames.org/). If you download the spreadsheet you will find two worksheets. One worksheet is the full v2015Jul. The second worksheet is an upgrade tool for those who are already using the BARC Checklist (v2015Jan) and would prefer to modify their personalised lists rather than start with a blank checklist again. It contains a set of instructions for converting the old BARC Checklist v2015Jan to this new v2015Jul. Upgrading involves inserting three new species (two splits by the IOC and a new species accepted by BARC), splitting one family into two, and updating or correcting a few species names. The upgrade worksheet will also allow users to identify the changes that have been made in v2015Jul. These changes bring the total Australian list to 931 confirmed species, 19 of which are extinct or extirpated. Summary of changes: One species new for Australia has been accepted by BARC since v2014Jul (Hodgson’s Hawk-Cuckoo). The IOC has split two species since v2015Jan was released (Naretha Bluebonnet and Copperback Quail-thrush). The storm petrels are split into two families, Oceanitidae and Hydrobatidae. The former move to the beginning of the Procellariiformes sequence. Name changes caused by splits affect two species (Purple Swamphen becomes Australasian Swamphen and Bluebonnet becomes Eastern Bluebonnet). One minor name change (Coconut Lorikeet) and a split of the extinct Cyanoramphus parrots that have been updated previously were nevertheless missing from the full v2015Jan and some users may need to make this upgrade. The IOC World Bird List site contains more information about the open processes, dynamic revisions and cooperative approach of the IOC checklist system. http://www.worldbirdnames.org/ The BARC Australian Checklist v1 was first released in November 2011 and this current version is the 5th update. Thanks are due to Tony Palliser and Nikolas Hass for assistance with this update. Good birding to you all, David James Cheers, David James Sydney ==============================
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Martin The following link provides information on the Willie Wagtail in Canberra based on data in the Canberra Ornithologists Group database. They are certainly present in Canberra throughout the year, but are recorded less frequently in winter. The graphs in the data sheet show reporting rate rather than numbers of birds. More detailed information is available in the Annual Bird Reports, also available in the COG website. Overall there are probably about half the number of birds present in winter as in summer, suggesting the species is a partial migrant. http://canberrabirds.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Willie-Wagtail.pdf Harvey Dr Harvey Perkins CRC Programme Liaison Officer Phone +61 2 6213 7472 Email: Harvey.Perkins@industry.gov.au —–Original Message—– Sent: Monday, 15 June 2015 3:19 PM Hi Rob, Well that’s very interesting indeed. It would be well worth having a look around your area now Rob to see if there are any Willie Wagtails still hanging around. Do you recall if these 2 adult Willie Wagtails that you saw in May there in Bamaga seemed particularly large birds to you?? If they did appear like big Willie Wagtails to you, then they could be either birds from the north of you (ie the larger race ‘melaleuca’ from Torres Strait islands & PNG), or they could have been visiting migrants from southern Australia of race ‘leucophrys’. If they just appeared about the same size as birds that you would see, say around Cairns for instance, then they were probably likely to be of our local northern race ‘picata’, which is a noticeably smaller bird than the southern latitudinal migrants ‘leucophrys’ that we have been discussing here on this thread. What makes it hard is that all 3 races look pretty much the same, apart from the size. I get to see our Cairns locals all year as they breed here extensively, and they appear generally quite a bit smaller than the southern birds that winter in the inland of Qld. I just wonder how far north these migratory ‘leucophrys’ actually travel when wintering in normal non-drought years. But Rob, I suspect that the birds that you saw were indeed most likely visiting southern ‘leucophrys’ – it is a very dry year all round & my bet is that they get up as far as you in Bamaga in these very dry times. Also, I’ve never seen a Willie Wagtail of race ‘melaleuca’ but from what I read, they must appear significantly larger than our local breeding northern birds of race ‘picata’, and also a bit larger than the southern birds as well. Lots of questions need to be answered, but Lloyd & Greg are most definitely onto something pretty significant here in having found that this species does seem to have a major latitudinal migratory population – well, at least a fair proportion of the nominate race ‘leucophrys’ anyway. Does everyone down there in the southern Australia (say in Sydney, Melbourne, & Adelaide), see Willie Wagtails in the months of May, June & July?? I’m just putting it out there – as they say… cheers, martin cachard, trinity beach, cairns.
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An excellent resource. Carl Clifford
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And no cat bones in pre-European archaeological sites! I’m on Kangaroo Island and the eucalyptus distillery has an interesting line of feral cat skins and stubby holders. Cheers David Sent from my iPhone
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I’ve been shown unrecorded art sites by Kunwinjku people and have never seen cats depicted there. Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow PO Box 71 Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841 PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW. Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia Nominated by Earthfoot for Condé Nast’s International Ecotourism Award, 2004. 043 8650 835 On 4 Mar 2015, at 7:55 am, Michael Hunter < drmhunter@westnet.com.au> wrote:
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Thanks Colin. Also no Aboriginal records such as cave paintings as far as I know although they recorded European boats. Cheers Michael Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 7:36 AM http://bioacoustics.cse.unsw.edu.au/archives/html/birding-aus/2013-01/msg00196.html Abbott report http://www.dpaw.wa.gov.au/images/documents/about/science/cswa/articles/23.pdf
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I was just looking at that myself, then moved on to Taxonomy in Flux http://jboyd.net/Taxo/List7.html#procellariiformes . Essentially, the Oceanitidae “Southern Storm-Petrels” include: .Wilson’s Storm-Petrel, Oceanites oceanicus .Elliot’s Storm-Petrel, Oceanites gracilis .Pincoya Storm-Petrel, Oceanites pincoyae .Polynesian Storm-Petrel, Nesofregetta fuliginosa .Gray-backed Storm-Petrel, Garrodia nereis .White-faced Storm-Petrel, Pelagodroma marina .White-bellied Storm-Petrel, Fregetta grallaria .Black-bellied Storm-Petrel, Fregetta tropica .New Zealand Storm-Petrel, Fregetta maoriana And the Hydrobatidae “Northern Storm-Petrels” http://jboyd.net/Taxo/Hydrobatidae.pdf include what used to be Hydrobates and Oceanodroma genera: .Cape Verde Storm-Petrel, Thalobata jabejabe .”Pacific Storm-Petrel”, Thalobata cryptoleucura .Monteiro’s Storm-Petrel, Thalobata monteiroi .Band-rumped Storm-Petrel / Madeiran Storm-Petrel, Thalobata castro .Least Storm-Petrel, Halocyptena microsoma .Wedge-rumped Storm-Petrel, Halocyptena tethys .Black Storm-Petrel, Halocyptena melania .Matsudaira’s Storm-Petrel, Halocyptena matsudairae .European Storm-Petrel / British Storm-Petrel, Hydrobates pelagicus .Fork-tailed Storm-Petrel, Hydrobates furcatus .Ringed Storm-Petrel / Hornby’s Storm-Petrel, Cymochorea hornbyi .Markham’s Storm-Petrel, Cymochorea markhami .Tristram’s Storm-Petrel, Cymochorea tristrami .Guadalupe Storm-Petrel, Cymochorea macrodactyla .Ashy Storm-Petrel, Cymochorea homochroa .Swinhoe’s Storm-Petrel, Cymochorea monorhis .Leach’s Storm-Petrel, Cymochorea leucorhoa Harvey Dr Harvey Perkins CRC Programme Liaison Officer Phone +61 2 6213 7472 Email: Harvey.Perkins@industry.gov.au —–Original Message—– Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2014 1:27 PM I just looked up the IOC web site worldbirdnames.org and it looks like the storm-petrels will be split into two families in the next version 5.1 due in early 2015. Hydrobatidae – northern storm-petrels Oceanitidae – southern storm-petrels Not exactly certain where each genus will fall, but I guess we will find out in 2015. For those interested in families, it looks like Swallow-tailed Cotinga will be put back into Cotingidae (it was previously indeterminate) _________________________________________________________________ Frank O’Connor Birding WA http://birdingwa.iinet.net.au Phone : (08) 9386 5694 Email : foconnor@iinet.net.au
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Hi Tom There are a few photos of juvenile – immature Silver Gulls from Heron Island on my blog as well, at http://hdpphd.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/capricornias-terns.html Cheers, Harvey Dr Harvey Perkins CRC Programme Liaison Officer Phone +61 2 6213 7472 Email: Harvey.Perkins@industry.gov.au —–Original Message—– Sent: Monday, 17 November 2014 10:31 AM Hi Tom, Here’s an image of one: see https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrdehoot/2855583584/in/photostream. Also, I saw you at James M’s talk, and I meant to say hello – I don’t think we’ve had a chance to chat. I was half thinking I’d see you at Lake Tutchewop on Sunday. I ticked the bird Saturday evening. On Sunday morning I went birding around Goschen and Tresco, and then briefly went back to Lake Tutchewop, where I’d heard you’d seen the bird (well done). Must catch up for some birding sometime. Any targets? Cheers mate, Tim ________________________________________ Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 8:31 AM Wonder if anyone can help? At the weekend I went to Lake Tuchewop in Victoria to look for the Long-billed Dowitcher and arrived at the southern end of the lake on Saturday evening just before it got dark. Whilst searching for the wader I noticed an immature gull with a classic non-breeding head-pattern as a Black-headed Gull, (two small dark-patches) however the other birders present assured me that it was just a juvenile Silver Gull (….and it probably was!) I then realised that I’ve hardly bothered to look at juvenile Silver Gulls and never seen this feature in the past. Does anyone have imagery (or know of some web-links) of juvenile Silver Gull which show head-markings? All the ones that I’ve checked so far don’t show any. Any assistance gratefully received, Tom — ******************************** Tom Tarrant Hawthorn East 3123 Victoria http://www.aviceda.org ********************************
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Hi Harvey, yes, some of these do over-winter here every year too… there’s a small number here at Trinity Beach at the moment & I usually see 1 or 2 around Cairns on most days from May to early Aug every year, which is when they usually arrive again in this neck of the woods… i’m not sure if they are 1st year birds or not, but that wouldn’t surprise me, although I think it’s likely that some adults don’t make the trip to their wintering grounds also… same applies here to Metallic Starlings as well with many adults & 1st year birds staying over… cheers martin cachard cairns _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
There were 9 Great Crested Grebe on Lake Eacham when I was there briefly a little over a week ago on Sunday 8 June. Harvey Message: 29 < birding-aus@birding-aus.org> Message-ID: < 80E5282BEF854637B7BDF29484CBF8E8@Ala> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=”iso-8859-1″; reply-type=original No, numbers are sometimes that low at that time of year. They can be as high as 320 then though. Only something in the high sixties when I counted last week (did not record number). REgards, Alan Alan’s Wildlife Tours 2 Mather Road Yungaburra 4884 Phone 07 4095 3784 Mobile 0408 953 786 http://www.alanswildlifetours.com.au/ —–Original Message—– Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 4:25 PM I was looking through some old records and was reminded of something I meant to raise at the time but forgot to. In November 2012 when I was in NQ for the eclipse I visited Lake Barrine. On Lake Barrine I saw 150+ GCGs. is this unusual? — John Leonard Canberra ************************************************************************* The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments to it, is intended for the use of the addressee and is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, read, forward, copy or retain any of the information. If you received this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify the sender by return e-mail or telephone. The Commonwealth does not warrant that any attachments are free from viruses or any other defects. You assume all liability for any loss, damage or other consequences which may arise from opening or using the attachments. The security of emails transmitted in an unencrypted environment cannot be guaranteed. By forwarding or replying to this email, you acknowledge and accept these risks. ************************************************************************* _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
Hi Jenny I was one of the banding group at Bowra over the Easter / ANZAC week – didn’t realise that was you. My perspective was a little different, being so focussed on the banding, but I have also put up a couple of postings on my blog about the trip – as you’ve done, one on the birds, one on the insects, frogs etc. Very envious of your photos of the Chestnut-breasted Quail-thrush which I missed. Cheers, Harvey http://hdpphd.blogspot.com.au/ —————————— Message: 20 Message-ID: < CALLKdihxBjodbxCJWROWwjvZCkKfZ_Q6w3NSUjDS3Yknykvo5Q@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi all, We went to Bowra for a week over easter and as always had a brilliant time. Joy ticked off Grey Falcon and I got a quick re-fresher look at one. The volunteers are doing a brilliant job and the place is looking better than ever, especially the facilities in the shearers quarters and the homestead grounds. They have had good rains and the grass in the front paddocks is long enough to hide the kangaroos (smile). There are a lot of trees in flower and the grasses have very heavy seed heads. If you have a chance to get to Bowra this spring I think it is going to be an exceptional year because of all this feed. Of course it is brilliant right now, as always, with lots of birds in full courtship and breeding going on already. Plum-headed Finch were common and there were raptors everywhere. Emus are in large flocks and we even saw a Chestnut-breasted Quailthrush at head-height in a tree. Hall’s Babbler were not easy to find but it may have been because the family we did see had young birds with them. My bird list for the week was 105 species and I know I missed seeing a couple because I was looking the wrong way. There were plenty of frogs, lizards, dragonflies, butterflies and even fish in the bore drain. I will have to buy a whole new set of field guides before I go back (smile). If you happen to need accommodation in Hillston on the way check out the Hillston Motor Inn, the rooms have the best bathrooms/shower outside the big cities and they give each guest a complimentary small bottle of wine, red or white, and some home-made Rocky Road when you check in. YUM. On the first night out of Bowra on the way back to Melb the shower was particularly appreciated (smile). cheers Jenny http://jenniferspryausbirding.blogspot.com.au/ —————————— ************************************************************************* The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments to it, is intended for the use of the addressee and is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, read, forward, copy or retain any of the information. If you received this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify the sender by return e-mail or telephone. The Commonwealth does not warrant that any attachments are free from viruses or any other defects. You assume all liability for any loss, damage or other consequences which may arise from opening or using the attachments. The security of emails transmitted in an unencrypted environment cannot be guaranteed. By forwarding or replying to this email, you acknowledge and accept these risks. ************************************************************************* _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
Wow, things work quickly sometimes. Here is where you can access the pamphlets. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mt99blrl2660bjk/8iUGfFVe9d Now I’ll get off the computer for a while and leave you all in peace. Regards, Alan _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
Hi Simon FYI, some previous discussion re Little x Long-billed Corellas in Canberra: http://bioacoustics.cse.unsw.edu.au/archives/html/canberrabirds/2014-04/msg00013.html There was a pair of corellas (one Little, one Long-billed) at/in a hollow in a Blakely’s Red Gum on 22 September last year at one of the sites that I survey regularly on Red Hill as part of COG’s Woodland Survey. Prior to this, a Long-billed Corella had been recorded during these Red Hill surveys on: 17 Dec 2006 29 Mar 2008 with a flock of Sulphur-crested Cockatoos 27 Jun 2009 appeared to be a paired with a Little Corella as evidenced by allopreening. 4 Oct 2009 ousted a galah from the vicinity of a nest hole then occupied the entrance for the 10-minute duration of the survey. 13 Dec 2009 The Red Hill site is not that far from Callum Brae – may well be the same pair. Harvey http://hdpphd.blogspot.com.au/ Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2014 1:31 PM For some years now I have encountered, on and off, a corella pair, one long-billed and one little corella. I always know them because long-bill has a metal ring on one leg. There have been no reports of them breeding, but, if the little corella is the same one, the pair have been faithful for years. One might call them Romeo and Juliet, albeit with greater longevity. Today they turned up at nursery corner, and a third corella was with them, and obviously very close because at one stage little was grooming the third arrival. Now, the new arrival looks a bit like a long-billed, but not quite, with less red wash about the face and neck. Also, its crest is more like that of a little. Attached is a photo (very small to comply with chatline rules) of the three. I have other more detailed images, and if you let me know you are interested, I can send them to you privately. They are really not of a high enough standard for me to want to put them on FlickR for everyone on the planet to see. Margaret Leggoe < SIMONRR@BIGPOND.COM> Cc: ‘Birding Aus’ < birding-aus@birding-aus.org> Message-ID:n.haass1@uq.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=”windows-1252″ Hi all, According to E.M. McCarthy?s Handbook of Avian Hybrids (2006, OUP), the following combinations with Little Corella occur (except for x sulphurea apparently all in the wild): Cacatua sanguinea [Little Corella] x galerita [Sulphur-crested C.] x leadbeateri [Major Mitchell?s C.] x pastinator [Western C.] x roseicapillus [Galah] x sulphurea [Lesser Sulphur-crested C.] x tenuirostris [Long-billed C.] x Callocephalon fimbriatum [Gang-gang C.] Nikolas A/Prof Nikolas Haass | Head, Experimental Melanoma Therapy Group The University of Queensland Diamantina Institute Level 6 | Translational Research Institute | 37 Kent Street | Woolloongabba QLD 4102 T: +61 (0)7 3443 7087 | M: +61 (0)424 603 579 F: +61 (0)7 3443 6966 E: n.haass1@uq.edu.au | W: http://www.di.uq.edu.au …Turning scientific discoveries into better treatments? On 25/06/14 5:53 PM, “Philip Veerman” < pveerman@pcug.org.au> wrote: ************************************************************************* The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments to it, is intended for the use of the addressee and is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, read, forward, copy or retain any of the information. If you received this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify the sender by return e-mail or telephone. The Commonwealth does not warrant that any attachments are free from viruses or any other defects. You assume all liability for any loss, damage or other consequences which may arise from opening or using the attachments. The security of emails transmitted in an unencrypted environment cannot be guaranteed. By forwarding or replying to this email, you acknowledge and accept these risks. ************************************************************************* _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
We are Peter, on 2 grounds.. A) Its about birds; and B) Its a Birding-Aus tipping comp….. How more topical can you get……………. Australian birds at that
*Yours in all things* “*GREEN”* *John Harris BASc, GDipEd* *Croydon, Vic* * Director – Wildlife Experiences Pty LtdPrincipal Ecologist/Zoologist* *Nature Photographer* *Wildlife Guide* *wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com < wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com>* *0409090955* *President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria* *(www.fncv.org.au )* On 27 March 2014 14:30, Peter Morgan < nagrompr@bigpond.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
And what about taking the football to its own site and letting this one get back to what it is about? Peter Morgan _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
And what about a Cricket tipping comp? On 27 Mar 2014, at 2:19 pm, Tom Tarrant < aviceda@gmail.com > wrote: _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
Stop it! (…get an ‘A-League’ you lot!) http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/ Tom On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 1:06 PM, John Harris < wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com>wrote: — ******************************** Tom Tarrant Kobble Creek, Qld http://www.aviceda.org ******************************** _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
Based on correspondence from Colin Trainor re footy tipping….. I am picking the Swans this week!!! Go the birds!!!! *Yours in all things* “*GREEN”* *John Harris BASc, GDipEd* *Croydon, Vic* * Director – Wildlife Experiences Pty LtdPrincipal Ecologist/Zoologist* *Nature Photographer* *Wildlife Guide* *wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com < wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com>* *0409090955* *President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria* *(www.fncv.org.au)* _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
Dear Colin my former friend…..
What I have to say would be bounced by the moderators…. especially that Blues supporter Russell!! There will come a day, when my beloved magpies will rule the roost again. In the meantime we are just sharing it around, to even up the competition – financially and psychologically!! Regards *Yours in all things* “*GREEN”* *John Harris BASc, GDipEd* *Croydon, Vic* * Director – Wildlife Experiences Pty LtdPrincipal Ecologist/Zoologist* *Nature Photographer* *Wildlife Guide* *wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com < wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com>* *0409090955* *President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria* *(www.fncv.org.au )* On 18 March 2014 11:43, colin trainor < halmahera@hotmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org