I raise this question with great trepidation, but in updating some of my records I find that at various times I have called a melodious bird both “Common Koel” and “Eastern Koel”. BirdLife Australia seem to favour Eastern Koel for birdata. On eBird it is called “Australian Koel”. I realise that there is no ‘best’ or ‘correct’ name. As I don’t have access to Ornithological libraries I wonder if someone on this list can tell me the provenance of these various names so that I can decide which way to update my records. Default option will be some coin tossing between Eastern Koel and Australian Koel.. Martin Martin Butterfield http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
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Thanks to all for the advice provided, both on and off this line. Both Clements and IOC are obviously reputable so a coin toss would seem to be one option. However, as I use eBird for my formal data entry it seems sensible to rationalise my private data holdings following that system and thus Australian Koel will be my standard. Martin Martin Butterfield http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/ On 5 January 2015 at 06:36, Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com> wrote:
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Hi Martin, As far as I know, the common name now is Pacific Koel. It used to be Eastern or Common Koel, but this species has now been split, as it used to include the subspecies in India, as well as those in Australia. Virginia —–Original Message—– Sent: Monday, 5 January 2015 6:36 AM I raise this question with great trepidation, but in updating some of my records I find that at various times I have called a melodious bird both “Common Koel” and “Eastern Koel”. BirdLife Australia seem to favour Eastern Koel for birdata. On eBird it is called “Australian Koel”. I realise that there is no ‘best’ or ‘correct’ name. As I don’t have access to Ornithological libraries I wonder if someone on this list can tell me the provenance of these various names so that I can decide which way to update my records. Default option will be some coin tossing between Eastern Koel and Australian Koel.. Martin Martin Butterfield http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
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Fraser & Gray (2013) offer this perspective on the naming of the Koel: “The former name of Pacific Koel was suggested for this species by Ian Mason … in Schodde and Mason’s monumental Zoological Catalogue of Australia (1997), though the original species name was applied by Linnaeus. Christidis & Boles (2008), however, suggested the usage of Eastern Koel, as the bird is found as far west as eastern Indonesia; the name derives directly from the species [scientific] name.” In examining the meaning of the scientific name (Jobling 2010): Eudynamys (Greek origin) is derived from “eu” meaning “fine” and “dunamis” meaning “power, strength”. orientalis (Latin origin) meaning “eastern”. References: Fraser, I. & Gray, J. (2013). Australian Bird Names: A Complete Guide (CSIRO Publishing, Collingwood). Jobling, J.A. (2010). Helm Dictionary of Scientific Bird Names (Christopher Helm, London). Stephen Ambrose Ryde NSW On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com> wrote:
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Martin, It all depends on the taxonomy you want to use. The IOC uses Pacific Koel, whereas Clements (eBird) uses Australian Koel. The Common Koel is also known as the Western Koel, whereas the Koel typically seen in Australia is also known as the Eastern Koel. According to HBW: Western Koel subspecies and distribution E. s. scolopaceus (Linnaeus, 1758) Pakistan, India and Nepal S to Sri Lanka, Laccadives and Maldives. E. s. chinensis Cabanis & Heine, 1863 S China and Indochina; winters S to Borneo. E. s. harterti Ingram, 1912 Hainan. E. s. malayanus Cabanis & Heine, 1863 E India and Bangladesh, through Myanmar, Thailand and Peninsular Malaysia to Sumatra, Borneo, Java and Lesser Sundas (Bali, Lombok, Sumbawa, Flores); winter visitor to Andaman and Nicobar Is. E. s. simalurensis Junge, 1936 Simeulue and offlying islands of Kokos and Babi (off NW Sumatra). E. s. frater McGregor, 1904 extreme N Philippines (Calayan and Fuga). E. s. mindanensis (Linnaeus, 1766) Philippines S to Talaud Is and Sangihe Is. Eastern Koel subspecies and distribution E. o. melanorhynchus S. Müller, 1843 Black-billed Koel Sulawesi. E. o. facialis Wallace, 1863 Sula Is. E. o. corvinus Stresemann, 1931 N Moluccas (Morotai, Halmahera, Ternate, Tidore, Moti, Bacan). E. o. orientalis (Linnaeus, 1766) Pacific Koel C Moluccas (Buru, Manipa, Kelang, Tujuh, Seram, Ambon, Watubela). E. o. picatus S. Müller, 1843 Lesser Sundas from Sumba to Timor and Romang, and Kai Is. E. o. rufiventer (Lesson, 1830) W Papuan Is, most of lowland New Guinea, and Aru Is. E. o. minimus van Oort, 1911 lowland SW New Guinea. E. o. hybridus Diamond, 2002 Long I and nearby smaller islands, off NE New Guinea. E. o. salvadorii E. J. O. Hartert, 1900 Bismarck Archipelago. E. o. alberti Rothschild & E. J. O. Hartert, 1907 Solomon Is. E. o. subcyanocephalus Mathews, 1912 N Australia E to W Queensland; migrant to New Guinea. E. o. cyanocephalus (Latham, 1801) Australian Koel N Queensland to New South Wales. Other taxonomies have split some of the subspecies into full species. I use IOC and have seen the Pacific Koel, Asian Koel and Black-billed Koel, all full species according to IOC. Regards, Bruce —–Original Message—– Martin Butterfield Sent: Monday, 5 January 2015 6:36 AM I raise this question with great trepidation, but in updating some of my records I find that at various times I have called a melodious bird both “Common Koel” and “Eastern Koel”. BirdLife Australia seem to favour Eastern Koel for birdata. On eBird it is called “Australian Koel”. I realise that there is no ‘best’ or ‘correct’ name. As I don’t have access to Ornithological libraries I wonder if someone on this list can tell me the provenance of these various names so that I can decide which way to update my records. Default option will be some coin tossing between Eastern Koel and Australian Koel.. Martin Martin Butterfield http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/
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G’day Martin There are several taxonomic systems around the world. Two of the most accepted are the International Ornithologists Union (IOC) and Clements. I use the IOC list. Currently for the Koels they have: Eudynamys Vigors & Horsfield, 1827 scolopaceus (Linnaeus, 1758) Asian Koel OR widespread, also Lesser Sundas scolopaceus (Linnaeus, 1758) Nepal, Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Laccadives and Maldives chinensis Cabanis & Heine, 1863 s China, Indochina to Borneo harterti Ingram, W, 1912 Hainan (off se China) malayanus Cabanis & Heine, 1863 ne India and Bangladesh to Sumatra, Borneo and w Lesser Sundas mindanensis (Linnaeus, 1766) Palawan and the Philippines to the n Moluccas melanorhynchus Müller, S, 1843 Black-billed Koel AU Sulawesi, Sula Islands. orientalis (Linnaeus, 1766) Pacific Koel AU s Moluccas to n, e Australia. orientalis (Linnaeus, 1766) s Moluccas picatus Müller, S, 1843 Sumba to Timor and Kai Is. SSP rufiventer (Lesson, 1830) New Guinea minimus van Oort, 1911 sw New Guinea hybrida Diamond, 2002 Long I. (off ne New Guinea) salvadorii Hartert, 1900 Bismarck Arch. alberti Rothschild & Hartert, 1907 Solomon Is. cyanocephalus (Latha 1801) n Queensland to s New South Wales to Moluccas subcyanocephalus Mathews, 1912 nw Australia to nw Queensland to s Moluccas So the Koel turning up annually in Victoria these days is Pacific Koel (*E. orientalis cyanocephalus*) according to IOC 4.4 and Australian Koel (*E. cyanocephalus cyanocephalus*) according to Clements 6.9. Cheers Steve Clark Hamilton. Vic On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com> wrote:
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Seems you can use either (plus an additional one) The three taxonomical lists that I use have three different names IOC (International Ornithological Congress) 4.4 (2014) – Pacific Koel Clements 6.9 (2014) – Australian Koel Birdlife International 7 (2014) – Eastern Koel. Noel Luff On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com> wrote:
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