Carl and Tony,
You may not feel what you said was particularly negative, however I agree with Rob in that, had I known nothing about the book, I would have walked away from the thread thinking “I’m not buying that, it sounds useless”. Possibly not your intent but I think that it would be sad if people deprived themselves of even looking into the book because of the complete lack of anything positive said on Birding-Aus. Having not read the new version yet I’ll reserve judgement til I have seen it, but I know a lot of birders without the experience that Tony and Carl have will probably appreciate a site guide that makes finding new birds a little easier. I know nearly all my close birding colleagues used the original version extensively and I was almost tempted to go looking for an out of print copy somewhere til I heard it was being updated. By all means use other sites but I think for those new to the hobby and for those coming from overseas site guides are invaluable and extremely time-saving.
Regards, Chris Sanderson
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Carl Clifford
> Rob, > > I have just re-read my post several times. I am at a loss to see where I > picked holes or criticised the new edition of T&T. I believe I only stated > that “I will stick with Birdata, Eremaea and B-A’s archives if I wish to > discover where a particular species may be found or what species are at a > particular location”. I was stating my personal choice. In actual fact, I > seldom try to find out what species have been found at the locations at > which I bird. If I do, I use the on-line resources. I am just happy with > what I see. I also seldom go to the “regular” birding sites, preferring to > look for less birded areas. But that is my method of birding, I am not even > sure, nor care, how many species I have seen the last time I bothered > totting up, it was getting near the third millenary. > > Carl Clifford > > > On 23/03/2011, at 4:22 PM, robert morris wrote: > > > Carl, Tony et al. > It is always easy to pick holes and criticise – especially when you’ve used > the old T&T and seen everything, or know about and have access to all these > other resources. I’d be interested to know if you’ve actually even seen a > copy? As you wrote Tony ‘If one used the first edition exhaustively and > went to every location recommended, as I did myself’ – this in my mind is a > ringing endorsement for the book for many others who are looking for places > to go to look for specific species! > Paul (Walbridge) and I noted a few ‘issues’ with the Southport Pelagic > write up – but it was still good it got a write up and it was better than > the original 2 or 3 lines Richard and Sarah put together! There are always > going to be a few errors in such books – and elements of books like this go > out of date as soon as they are published. > But on the other side of the equation (a more balanced view perhaps) – the > book makes a positive contribution to promoting birding and ornithology in > Australia and there will (hopefully) be plenty of budding young > ornithologists and foreign visitors who use this, as others used the first > T&T in the past, to develop a passion for birding. > There’s a lot of good stuff in this book and I think that almost writing it > off because of one or two errors or omissions is a little premature. I have > the old version and have been to most the places in it. There are only a > handful of endemics I haven’t seen. But I have bought the new version too – > it is interesting to look at what has and what hasn’t changed, and the new > sites there are around for some species etc. etc. > I guess it depends on your outlook! > Rob Morris > > > > > > From: pratincole@esc.net.au >> To: carlsclifford@gmail.com; jspk@iprimus.com.au >> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:56:46 +1030 >> CC: birding-aus@vicnet.net.au; inglisrc@tpg.com.au >> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Thomas & Thomas 2nd Edition. >> >> If one used the first edition exhaustively and went to every location >> recommended, as I did myself with other SA birders, there can’t be too >> many >> new places for the new edition to cover. I sold my original once it was >> out >> of print and had served its purpose. >> >> I’m with Carl on this. And if it’s got errors like the Yumbarra one where >> you should go through the gate at the end of Foggo’s Rd before turning >> left >> ( then travel 2.1km along the fence before turning right up a poorly >> marked >> narrow track etc), Hm! >> >> >> Tony >> >> —–Original Message—– >> From: birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au >> [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Carl >> Clifford >> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2011 10:05 AM >> To: John Tongue >> Cc: Birding-Aus; Robert Inglis >> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Thomas & Thomas 2nd Edition. >> >> I am glad I did not rush out and buy T&T. I am always wary of books >> with “Complete” in their titles anyway. I think I will stick with >> Birdata, Eremaea and B-A’s archives if I wish to discover where a >> particular species may be found or what species are at a particular >> location. Much more up to date. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Carl Clifford >> >> >> On 23/03/2011, at 9:43 AM, John Tongue wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> We found a few minor discrepancies in the info for Yumbarra >> Conservation Reserve in SA. Nothing too major, but it could be >> confusing when the notes say to turn left at the Dog fence before >> travelling a few km to the gate through the fence, when the gate is >> actually at the point Foggo’s Road reaches the dog fence. Apart from >> that, just a few name discrepancies. in this listing. >> >> HAven’t really tried out many of the others – though I did note Bob’s >> point about the unusual way Tasmania is sometimes handled!! (Didn’t >> want to appear too testy, or mention Brisbane Commonwealth Games 
>> >> Cheers, >> John Tongue >> Ulverstone, Tas. >> >> On 22/03/2011, at 7:14 PM, Robert Inglis wrote: >> >> An interesting makeover but Tasmanians must be a little confused. >>> There seems to be some doubt about whether Tasmania is part of >>> Australia or, in fact, a separate country. >>> I thought we worked this sort of thing out a long time ago. >>> >>> Check out the Bird Finder Guide for the Striated Pardalote and >>> Eastern Spinebill entries. >>> Or Horsfield’s Bronze-Cuckoo and Shining Bronze-Cuckoo. >>> Or Masked Owl and Eastern Barn Owl. >>> Or Kelp Gull and Silver Gull. >>> >>> There’s probably more but this little idiosyncrasy shouldn’t prevent >>> anyone finding those, and other, species. >>> >>> Bob Inglis Sandstone Point >>> Qld >>> >>> =============================== >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, >>> send the message: >>> unsubscribe >>> (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) >>> to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au >>> >>> http://birding-aus.org >>> =============================== >>> >> >> =============================== >> >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, >> send the message: >> unsubscribe >> (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) >> to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au >> >> http://birding-aus.org >> =============================== >> >> =============================== >> >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, >> send the message: >> unsubscribe >> (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) >> to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au >> >> http://birding-aus.org >> =============================== >> =============================== >> >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, >> send the message: >> unsubscribe >> (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) >> to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au >> >> http://birding-aus.org >> =============================== >> > > =============================== > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, > send the message: > unsubscribe > (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) > to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au > > http://birding-aus.org > =============================== > > =============================== > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, > send the message: > unsubscribe > (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) > to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au > > http://birding-aus.org > =============================== > ===============================
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