Hi All, my apologies for this but can someone point me in the direction of the latest IOC list for Australia. I believe IOC is up to version 3.1 (?) but I cannot find any reference to it in my ‘immaculate’ filing system of emails. Perhaps I have to go back to the old days of keeping all of them……
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On 21 March 2013 14:26, Tony Palliser wrote:
> Hi Mark, > > To answer your question.. For species potentially new to Australia BARC > members will encourage folk to submit their find. If no action for a > period > (no set time but normally around a year or so) then BARC members may also > recommend that others that may have seen the bird to submit. > > > > There are many reasons for delays in submissions, for example researching > the identification of sub-adult gulls or little known Swiftlets for > example, > seeking expert opinion etc. Some just hate paperwork and would rather be > watching birds than writing submissions and there will always be a few > people who think that rarities committees are a waste of time – recalling a > comment a while back “how would you guys know what I saw?” and then there > are publishers that would prefer to make up their own mind. > > > > Yes you are correct these days taking notes in the field while watching the > bird just doesn’t happen much. > > > > Cheers, > > Tony > > > > > > > > > > From: Mark Stanley [mailto:markjstanley@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, 21 March 2013 1:00 AM > To: Tony Palliser > Cc: Dave Torr; birding-aus@lists.vicnet.net.au > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] IOC 894 or 896 > > > > Hi Tony, > > > > Thanks for clarifying that. But I’m not quite sure from what you say what > happens if no-one makes a formal submission of, for example, the Broome > Lesser Black-backed Gull? And please be aware that I am in no way > criticising BARC. I believe that it is very important for the birding > community to have an official list of verified bird species and that the > committee does invaluable work. A quick perusal of the published rulings > indicate the care and effort required to make a decision and the long list > of under-review cases would understandably make the idea of deliberation in > the absence of a formal submission not very attractive. > > But the question of “grey literature” – unverified usually internet based > publishing – will become increasingly important. The advent of high quality > digital photography makes bird identification per se significantly more > certain but it comes with I suspect a reduction in field note taking and > perhaps less formal submission of records. There may be a variety of > reasons > for non-submission – observers feeling that they may not have taken > sufficiently comprehensive notes, not wanting to be embarrassed by having a > submission not accepted, afraid of stepping on the toes of the finder or > original observer, deferring to birders who may have had a better > view/photograph, being unsure of the exact taxon (there was a lot of > discussion and not a little controversy when the LBB Gull first turned up) > or simply assuming some else will. Dave Torr thinks that consideration of > birds without a submission to be a dangerous idea. I am not so sure > especially in cases of well documented new species as have occurred > recently. > > > > Cheers > > > > Mark > > On 20 March 2013 14:55, Tony Palliser wrote: > > Hi Mark, > Generally speaking BARC does take it on board to review “the Literature” > for > example the old Cocos (Keeling) record of Lesser Black-backed Gull is > currently circulating. Some species are still to be submitted but I have > no > doubt the day will come – Slaty-backed Gull springs to mind. Additionally > some species end up on the supplementary list for considerable periods and > does in some part include those “awaiting a submission”. > > > Cheers, > Tony > > > > > —–Original Message—– > From: birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au > > [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Mark Stanley > Sent: Wednesday, 20 March 2013 10:16 AM > To: Dave Torr > Cc: birding-aus@lists.vicnet.net.au > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] IOC 894 or 896 > > “If a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it, does it make a noise?”; > if > a bird is seen in Australia but it is not reported to BARC is it on the > Australia list? Both Lesser Black-backed Gull and Wigeon have been seen, > photographed and their provenance and identification extensively discussed > in this forum so is there any doubt that they will be on Australia list? > The BARC “under review” list includes an old LBB claim from the Cocos > Islands but not the recent Broome bird, nor the Wigeon. > > What happens if nobody submits a record? This can easily come about if the > original observer is not that fussed/interested in going through the > process > of making a submission and other viewers are reluctant to put in a > submission in case they could be viewed as “claiming” the record or do not > want to be involved in some controversial identification. > > Given the fact that most significant rarities are likely to be discussed in > forums like this, perhaps BARC should take it upon itself to review “The > Literature” particularly on cases of species new to Australia. Some > acknowledgement of the original finder of the bird could then be included. > A “waiting submission” category might prompt birders to make a submission. > > Cheers > > Mark > > On 20 March 2013 07:01, Dave Torr wrote: > > > But are they accepted by BARC yet? It takes a while to get things > > “officially” accepted > > > > On 19 March 2013 21:59, Mark Stanley wrote: > > > >> Jude & Tony, > >> > >> You may want to add Wigeon and Lesser Black-backed Gull to the list now. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:28:45 +1100 > >> From: “Tony Palliser” > >> To: “‘Jude Latt'” , > >> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] IOC 891 or 893 > >> Message-ID: <008501ce23ba$fd2d3290$f78797b0$@bigpond.net.au> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=”us-ascii” > >> > >> Jude, > >> It is a constant moving target these days – taxonomy is constantly > >> changing and new species are still being added regularly. I make the > >> list 891 plus 3 newly added species accepted by BARC within the last > >> couple of months > >> namely: Japanese Sparrowhawk, Chinese Sparrowhawk and Mugimaki > >> Flycatcher > >> to make the total 894. No doubt there will be more added in the not > too > >> distant future also. > >> > >> Here is a link to a list prepared by David James which was updated > >> recently: > >> > >> http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/australian_checklist.xls > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Tony > >> > >> > >> —–Original Message—– > >> From: birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au > >> [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Jude > >> Latt > >> Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013 5:43 PM > >> To: birding-aus@vicnet.net.au > >> Subject: [Birding-Aus] IOC 891 or 893 > >> > >> > >> I am following the IOC Taxa and at this stage I have have 891 species > >> recorded in my Birder’s Diary for Australia. > >> > >> However, missing from my Taxa list is Eurasian Hobby or Eurasian > >> Hoopoe which would increase my Taxa list by 2 …. 893 Australian > species. > >> > >> > >> Can someone please confirm out Aussie total now stands at 893 ? > >> following the IOC > >> > >> > >> Jude > >> =============================== > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: > >> unsubscribe > >> (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) > >> to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au > >> > >> http://birding-aus.org > >> =============================== > >> =============================== > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: > >> unsubscribe > >> (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) > >> to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au > >> > >> http://birding-aus.org > >> =============================== > >> > > > > > =============================== > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, > send the message: > unsubscribe > (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) > to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au > > http://birding-aus.org > =============================== > > > > =============================== > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, > send the message: > unsubscribe > (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) > to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au > > http://birding-aus.org > =============================== > ===============================
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