Wow that is exciting. We will definitely prepare submissions to BARC in regards to the two bittern species. Thankyou to everyone for your help and wisdom in identifying this bird. The all round expertise within BA is honestly inspirational. Best, Brendon Levot. > From: pterodroma@bigpond.com > To: brendonlevot@live.com; birding-aus@birding-aus.org > CC: jeff@jeffdavies.com.au; burunglaut07@yahoo.com; nhaass@yahoo.com; kevlobotomi@hotmail.com; mickhhb@yahoo.com.au; tonyp@bigpond.net.au; lisa@indianoceanexperiences.com.au > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] FW: Christmas Island Unknown Heron Identification = Yellow Bittern > Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 13:53:04 +1100 > > This is a much better photo and changes my mind re its identity. Now, as > Jeff was trying to persuade us, I have no doubt that it is a Yellow Bittern. > Now Brendon, if others agree, you have to prepare two submissions to Birds > Australia Rarities Committee (BARC), this and the Cinnamon Bittern. If you > need help with those, see the BARC website or contact our chairman Tony > Palliser, copied in above. > > Mike Carter > 30 Canadian Bay Road > Mount Eliza VIC 3930 > Tel (03) 9787 7136 > > —– Original Message —– > From: “brendon levot” <brendonlevot@live.com> > To: <birding-aus@birding-aus.org> > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 1:02 PM > Subject: [Birding-Aus] FW: Christmas Island Unknown Heron Identification > > From: brendonlevot@live.com > To: nhaass@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: Christmas Island Unknown Heron Identification > Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 13:00:52 +1100 > > Hello everyone, > > First of all thankyou for the overwhelming response, secondly sorry for my > lack of involvement in the thread as I have been computer less until now. > > I have posted another picture > > link here: http://www.wildsideaustralia.com.au/unknown-birdy-image-2/ > > sorry about the poor quality, these are the only 2 images. > > Some parks rangers who saw the bird who are not birders identified the bird > as a juvenile Chinese Pond Heron using a field guide and based the ID on > size. > > I hope this helps out a little. > > The facebook discussion was very helpful in identifying the bird as most > people tended to side with Juv Striated Heron perhaps a sub spp of sorts, > however I decided to post to birding aus as per request from some birders > for further opinion. > > and also, yes interestingly a Cinnamon Bittern is currently in care being > treated for dehydration and exhaustion, it is soon to be released. > > a link to the Cinnamon Bittern can be found here: > http://www.wildsideaustralia.com.au/seldom-seen-the-cinnamon-bittern/ > > Thankyou all, > > Best, > > Brendon Levot. > > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:37:02 -0800 > From: nhaass@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: Christmas Island Unknown Heron Identification > To: burunglaut07@yahoo.com; jeff@jeffdavies.com.au; kevlobotomi@hotmail.com; > pterodroma@bigpond.com; mickhhb@yahoo.com.au > CC: brendonlevot@live.com > > Hi David et al., > Yes, this is an interesting discussion. Just one more little correction: At > one point you said, David, “I think the only small > herons with a complete black cap are Striated Heron and Yellow Bittern.” I > guess, you had intended to add “in the area”? Little, Black-backed, Least > and Striated also have a black cap and can raise their crests.Brendon, any > comments from your side? I haven’t seen your facebook discussion – is this > one here a déjà vu? > Cheers, > Nikolas —————- > Nikolas Haass > nhaass@yahoo.com > Brisbane, QLD > From: David James <burunglaut07@yahoo.com> > To: Jeff Davies <jeff@jeffdavies.com.au>; ‘Nikolas Haass’ > <nhaass@yahoo.com>; Kevin Bartram <kevlobotomi@hotmail.com>; Mike Carter > <pterodroma@bigpond.com>; Mick Roderick <mickhhb@yahoo.com.au> > Cc: “brendonlevot@live.com” > <brendonlevot@live.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 6:14 AM > Subject: Re: Christmas Island Unknown Heron Identification > > Hi Jeff, I do see where you are coming from regarding the shape and location > of the dark face stripe. It sort of fits Yellow Bittern and looks wrong for > Striated. But that is the only thing that fits Yellow. It is the wrong > colour, it has the wrong coloured bill, legs, eye and crown, and wrong > shape. I agree with Mick that we can’t be sure the back and mantle are > streaked, could just be the scapulars and neck. I’m not sure > it’s a Striated but less sure it’s a YB. It’s tougher than it should > be.Cheers,David JamesSydney============================== From: Jeff > Davies <jeff@jeffdavies.com.au> To: ‘David James’ <burunglaut07@yahoo.com>; > ‘Nikolas Haass’ <nhaass@yahoo.com> Cc: brendonlevot@live.com Sent: > Wednesday, 26 February 2014 3:27 PM Subject: RE: Christmas Island Unknown > Heron Identification Some images attached showing worn juveniles which are > less yellow, Brendon’s bird could actually be starting to moult in adult > crown but impossible to say at this image quality. Note that the attached > enlargement of Brendon’s bird just enlarges the pixels you start with and > doesn’t add the detail obviously missing.My suggestion is look at where the > features are positioned eg does the cap start from under the back edge of > the eye or not, position of eye and relative size eg large in the head or > tiny, how the dark marks are positioned in the face in relation to the line > of the ridge of the bill, etc etc. Cheers Jeff. From: David James > [mailto:burunglaut07@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 2:36 PMTo: > Jeff Davies; ‘Nikolas > Haass’Cc: brendonlevot@live.comSubject: Re: Christmas Island Unknown Heron > Identification here are some images of Striated Heron and Yellow Bittern > from CI. The Juv Striated specimen has the same plumage colour as the > mystery bird. The adult striated has the same jizz. The juvenile Yellows > have the wrong shape, colour, bill. Pics not sent to birding-aus obviously. > Cheers,David JamesSydney============================== From: Jeff Davies > <jeff@jeffdavies.com.au>To: ‘Nikolas Haass’ <nhaass@yahoo.com>; ‘David > James’ <burunglaut07@yahoo.com>; ‘Birding-aus’ <birding-aus@vicnet.net.au> > Cc: brendonlevot@live.com Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 1:54 PMSubject: > RE: Christmas Island Unknown Heron Identification I still can’t see it as a > Striated Heron. The image is strongly pixilated and probably colour > compromised. The colour of the photo suggests Striated first off, but when > you look closely at the bird it can’t > be.Looking at those face markings/structures the cap appears to be well > clear of the eye position by a substantial amount. The face and bill base > pattern is all wrong for juv Striated. The eye is positioned within the > apparent diagonal line of dark starting from front of cap. I can envisage > the area of pale bare skin at bill base with no dark forward of the eye and > the bill is too long and pointy. Looks like an Ixobrychus Bittern to me.So > it’s still Yellow Bittern for mine. Cheers Jeff. From: Nikolas Haass > [mailto:nhaass@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 8:56 AMTo: David > James; Birding-ausCc: brendonlevot@live.com; Jeff DaviesSubject: Re: > Christmas Island Unknown Heron Identification Hi David, Looks like our posts > crossed in cyberspace. While I am certainly sympathetic with your point that > it is a Striated Heron, as which I initially ID’d it myself, I don’t think > we have done enough to rule out an Ixobrychus (see Jeff’s mail and my > response). I think it is time to get a bit more information from Brendon? > Was size compared to another nearby bird? Any more details on plumage > patterns? Are there more photos? BTW most (if not all?) Ixobrychus bitterns > can raise a crest. Cheers, Nikolas —————-Nikolas > Haassnhaass@yahoo.comBrisbane, QLD From: David James > <burunglaut07@yahoo.com>To: Birding-aus <birding-aus@vicnet.net.au> Cc: > “brendonlevot@live.com” <brendonlevot@live.com>; Nikolas Haass > <nhaass@yahoo.com>; Jeff Davies <jeff@jeffdavies.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, > February 26, 2014 6:55 AMSubject: Christmas Island Unknown Heron > Identification Hi Brendon, Your bird is without doubt a young Striated > Heron. It is a rare but regular visitor to CI with about 30 records since > 2001. In fact there has been at least 1 record every year since 2001, so it > possibly even breeds on CI. Ethel Beach is one of the spots were it is seen > most often. The Striated Herons on CI look quite different to those on > mainland Australia because they are one or more Southeast Asian subspecies, > although it is not clear which one(s). They are more heavily marked > (streaked) below and have bolder face markings with broader pale and dark > stripes. The > subspecies might be the local javanicus from nearby Indonesia (especially > if they are breeding). However, the narrow range of dates (November to May) > suggests they are migrants and therefore perhaps the more northerly migrant > ssp amurensis. There are a couple of other possibilities too. It is not a > Yellow Bittern. For starters, the upperparts are grey-green instead of > tan-brown. Yellow Bittern only has a solid black crown in adult male > plumage, at which time it is bright yellow brown with no streaking or > mottling above, and the bill is mostly yellow. I don’t know that yellow > bittern can raise > a crest. Cheers,David JamesSydney============================== > _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
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