Depends on the software – the ones I looked at (some time ago I must admit) did not allow for the creation of new “countries” – which is what I guess you would have to call it – because if you said it was a territiory of Aus then it would add the birds to your Aus list. Of course I haven’t looked at all birding software (and I ended up writing my own which does use political boundaries) – I would be interested to know if any commercially available software allows you to create a CI list and NOT have the birds added to your Aussie list!
On 9 January 2011 13:06, david taylor wrote:
> Pretty easy Dave re recording – you create a list – Birds of Christmas > island! > > > On 09/01/2011, at 12:02 PM, Dave Torr wrote: > > I guess since the “official” list (whatever that means!) is C&B plus BARC > (and let us not re-open that discussion!) and they count these territories > then it is reasonable for Aussie birders to count the birds. And since most > birding software that I have seen is based on country lists if you go to > Christmas and do not deem it to be part of Australia how do you record the > sightings? > > For better or worse the definitions of countries and territories are fairly > static (and the questionable boundaries are usually not ones that birders > would to choose to visit) whereas I have seen various definitions of faunal > regions and so we could then perhaps start a debate on which definition of > faunal regions we should use (please – no!) – and then I guess one gets > vagrants to a faunal region as well from the next region and people would go > to the boundaries of a region in the hope of vagrants 
> > On 9 January 2011 12:56, david taylor wrote: > >> Another who agrees – I would love to bird Christmas Island and the Cocos >> Islands but this recent notion that they are part of the Australian bird >> list is in my opinion flawed – they may be Australian Territories but are >> vast distances from Australia, Surley just because they are Australian >> territories does not make them Australian birds? >> >> I pose the scenario that if next year a country in South America became an >> Australian Territory that some of our twitchers would be adding Toucans to >> the Australian list – this may seem silly but in reality what is the >> difference in the two scenarios. I struggle too see how distance can form >> the basis of the argument? Cocos islands are 3600 kms due west of Darwin. >> Darwin to Thailand is less distance – if it became a territory would we be >> adding all of their birds? >> >> I would be interested to hear the attitude of those who do believe these >> birds are valid on the Australian list because they are Australian >> Territories and if so what would be the difference if indeed we gained a new >> territory in a place like Sth America or Asia? >> >> And as Tom points out – do the French birders add New Caledonia birds >> because its a territory of theirs? >> >> Seems its great sport for our twitchers (and absolutely nothing wrong with >> that) – but a long bow for mine that they form part of the Australian bird >> list. >> >> But each to his own and great birding all. >> >> cheers >> >> David Taylor >> >> >> >> On 09/01/2011, at 10:32 AM, Carl Clifford wrote: >> >> > Tom, >> > >> > I heartily agree. You could almost say that birding on Christmas and >> Cocos was SE Asian birding for xenophobes, except for the fact that the >> population of Cocos is mainly Malay and the population of Christmas is >> mainly Middle Eastern, albeit they are banged-up in a concentration camp >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Carl Clifford >> > >> > >> > On 09/01/2011, at 7:38 AM, Tom Tarrant wrote: >> > >> > Hi Frank, >> > >> > I think you are missing the point regarding that comment, as exciting as >> > Christmas and Cocos sound (I would love to go birding there!) they are >> not >> > in the same faunal zone as Australia so many birders don’t see the >> > relevance. You may as well go New Caledonia and add those species to >> your >> > ‘French’ list. >> > >> > Tom >> > >> > >> > >> >> And I remember there was a comment about the possible Short-toed Eagle >> in >> >> Victoria being better than the rarities reported on Cocos and Christmas >> in >> >> December. Sorry. Not even close!!! I saw 11 new birds for my >> Australian >> >> list, and I dipped on two. Even Mike Carter added 9 birds to his >> Australian >> >> list. >> >> >> >> >> > — >> > ******************************** >> > Tom Tarrant >> > Kobble Creek, Qld >> > >> > http://kobble.aviceda.org >> > >> > http://picasaweb.google.com.au/aviceda/ >> > ******************************** >> > =============================== >> > >> > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, >> > send the message: >> > unsubscribe >> > (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) >> > to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au >> > >> > http://birding-aus.org >> > =============================== >> > >> > =============================== >> > >> > To unsubscribe from this mailing list,send the message: >> > unsubscribe(in the body of the message, with no Subject line) >> > to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au >> > >> > http://birding-aus.org >> > =============================== >> >> David Taylor >> Brisbane >> damasa@bigpond.net.au >> >> >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, >> send the message: >> unsubscribe >> (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) >> to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au >> >> http://birding-aus.org >> > > > David Taylor > Brisbane > damasa@bigpond.net.au > > > > > ===============================
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