Hi Phil, I reckon the chatting would mean your list for the day would be lower, not because of flushing birds (unless someone is unduly loud), but because of missing birds while your mind isn’t on the job at hand. Nevertheless – birds do have a way of being obvious sometimes when folk are relaxed. Allan Richardson Morisset NSW On 11/07/2013, at 3:17 PM, Philip Veerman wrote: > Peter wrote: “I’m also wondering if making voice notes ever spooks birds.” > That struck me as amusing. Mainly because my formative birding years were as > a young teenager with the BOCA in the early 1970s. I recall many loud > chatterings among excited people looking at birds. Amusing chat of people > talking not just amongst but to themselves. Social groups are still like > that. Surely Peter has also been with a group of birders looking at birds > and discussing what it is – or discussing the weather or football or > anything else. And been able to see the reaction. Then again it is hard to > know if people talking is what would make a bird move away. Yes of course > for some birds quietness helps but I doubt that one person discretely > talking into a machine held a few cm from their face is a problem. > > But thanks to Peter for adding a subject line…….. > > Philip > > —–Original Message—–From: birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au > [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Peter Shute > Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2013 3:35 AM To: Carl Clifford Cc: > <birding-aus@vicnet.net.au> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Recorders for > note taking – was (no subject) > > > Has anyone tried these small recorders in the wind? It would be > disappointing if you couldn’t hear your notes later because of wind rumble. > > I’m also wondering if making voice notes ever spooks birds. > > Peter Shute > > Sent from my iPad > > > =============================== > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, > send the message: > unsubscribe > (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) > to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au > > http://birding-aus.org > =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au http://birding-aus.org ===============================
“From: Denise Goodfellow To: John Harris “I think you and I chatted that delightful night at the sewage ponds. Can you think of a term for that?” I can, Denise and John, but not for publication! Denise, you spoke of the disparity of birding intent in groups and must find that as I do a challenge. I cope by giving the serious birder(s) the wink about taking care of the interests of the non birder or casual birder and as long as I am keeping the birds flowing for the rest of the group or the spouse then everything is OK. One of the problems I had in Costa Rica when I could not hire a private guide but had to join a tour was that people who were not birders were taking a bird tour without any background in birding and the lodge didn’t have binoculars for them. As a result the guides spent time finding large birds or ones which sat still long enough for everyone to get a view through the scope. I was able to make reasonable use of the time by waiting until the scope was set up and using the laser point to indicate to the guide a bird I needed ID help with. Or to take that time to ask about another local specialty as to where and how to find it. =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Hi all, I cannot see a problem with babbling while watching babblers, chatting while looking at chats, larking while spotting larks or even being a drongo while viewing drongos 😀 As long as you get out of it what you want, everybody wants something different…. Yours in all things “green” John Harris Croydon, Vic Owner – Wildlife Experiences Ecologist/Zoologist Nature Photographer Wildlife Guide wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com 0409090955 President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria (www.fncv.org.au) —– Reply message —– Cc: < birding-aus@lists.vicnet.net.au> Yep, me too Carl. But this does often limit social interaction which at other times may be desirable for some folk. I prefer a clear distinction between birding and socializing – for me, ne’er the twain should meet, not on outings anyway. —–Original Message—– Sent: Friday, 12 July 2013 9:59 AM Cc: Alan Gillanders; Allan Richardson; Philip Veerman; birding-aus@lists.vicnet.net.au The seemingly endless chatter that goes on among birders in groups, is the main reason why I no longer go out birding with groups. I only go birding by myself or with one or two others that I know that can keep shtum. Carl Clifford On 12/07/2013, at 8:57, “Tony Russell” < pratincole08@gmail.com> wrote: for bird call time. (sometimes). bower. All had good looks. birds.” =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
I think you and I chatted that delightful night at the sewage ponds. Can you think of a term for that? Denise On 12/7/13 12:38 PM, “wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com” < wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Yep, me too Carl. But this does often limit social interaction which at other times may be desirable for some folk. I prefer a clear distinction between birding and socializing – for me, ne’er the twain should meet, not on outings anyway. —–Original Message—– Sent: Friday, 12 July 2013 9:59 AM Cc: Alan Gillanders; Allan Richardson; Philip Veerman; birding-aus@lists.vicnet.net.au The seemingly endless chatter that goes on among birders in groups, is the main reason why I no longer go out birding with groups. I only go birding by myself or with one or two others that I know that can keep shtum. Carl Clifford On 12/07/2013, at 8:57, “Tony Russell” < pratincole08@gmail.com> wrote: for bird call time. (sometimes). bower. All had good looks. birds.” =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
The seemingly endless chatter that goes on among birders in groups, is the main reason why I no longer go out birding with groups. I only go birding by myself or with one or two others that I know that can keep shtum. Carl Clifford On 12/07/2013, at 8:57, “Tony Russell” < pratincole08@gmail.com> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Among the American birding couples I’m studying there appears to be a divide (as there is often when I guide). Some do come to socialise as well as bird while others are just after that new species. The partners of serious birders are generally not so serious about birds. In my study, couples often travel together on international trips. Then both modify their behaviour to fit in with the other. One problem that I’ve witnessed (and which was mentioned by some respondents) was guides who concentrate on serious birders in the group (generally a minority among Americans), leaving the majority to their own devices. Generally in those circumstances more serious spouses will stay behind with their partners. One consequence of this was that couples were abandoned tour operators and going off on their own or sometimes (particularly when overseas), with a local guide. This change in behaviour had dire consequences for bird tour operators, some of which are now trying to attract a wider audience, with, so I hear, varying success. Denise On 12/7/13 8:59 AM, “Dave Torr” < davidtorr@gmail.com> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Yes, of course, I agree. Sent: Friday, 12 July 2013 8:59 AM Cc: Alan Gillanders; Allan Richardson; Philip Veerman; birding-aus@lists.vicnet.net.au For many people birding is a social activity – I am president of a small club and I would say well over 50% come more for social interaction than for birds. But it is rarely a problem – the serious birders quickly move away from the less serious ones, who tend to be happy of they see a few birds and catch up with their friends. And if I want to do really serious birding I go by myself or with a few equally dedicated mates On 12 July 2013 08:57, Tony Russell < pratincole08@gmail.com> wrote: Whenever I go out birding with a talkative group I always find myself becoming impatient with their chatter and move out ahead of them. Their chatting is often nothing to do with birds or birding, just social, family or kitchen table stuff. No amount of shushing seems to have any effect – I often wonder why they have bothered coming out because they tend to miss lots of birds anyway even if they do quiet down briefly, the birds having moved on. Such chatting should be reserved for bird call time. Grumpy old Tony. —–Original Message—– [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Alan Gillanders Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2013 3:54 PM Cc: birding-aus@lists.vicnet.net.au G’day Allan, I have a Golden Bowerbird which responds positively to my voice (sometimes). I do not feed this bird or offer him any enticements. One time when I approached the bower there was a group already there who informed me that the bird was not around. I new better as I had heard him quietly doing his not very good Crimson Rosella imitations. I got everyone set up around the bower at a distance which would not upset the bird and spoke loudly, “Good morning handsome.” He came down to a nearby sapling before heading over to his favourite perch from which to watch his bower. All had good looks. On reflection it might have been, “G’day Stupid.” It is not only this bird which is somewhat disturbed. Regards, Alan Alan’s Wildlife Tours 2 Mather Road Yungaburra 4884 Phone 07 4095 3784 Mobile 0408 953 786 http://www.alanswildlifetours.com.au/ —–Original Message—– Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 4:02 PM Cc: birding-aus@lists.vicnet.net.au Hi Phil, I reckon the chatting would mean your list for the day would be lower, not because of flushing birds (unless someone is unduly loud), but because of missing birds while your mind isn’t on the job at hand. Nevertheless – birds do have a way of being obvious sometimes when folk are relaxed. Allan Richardson Morisset NSW On 11/07/2013, at 3:17 PM, Philip Veerman wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
For many people birding is a social activity – I am president of a small club and I would say well over 50% come more for social interaction than for birds. But it is rarely a problem – the serious birders quickly move away from the less serious ones, who tend to be happy of they see a few birds and catch up with their friends. And if I want to do really serious birding I go by myself or with a few equally dedicated mates On 12 July 2013 08:57, Tony Russell < pratincole08@gmail.com> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Whenever I go out birding with a talkative group I always find myself becoming impatient with their chatter and move out ahead of them. Their chatting is often nothing to do with birds or birding, just social, family or kitchen table stuff. No amount of shushing seems to have any effect – I often wonder why they have bothered coming out because they tend to miss lots of birds anyway even if they do quiet down briefly, the birds having moved on. Such chatting should be reserved for bird call time. Grumpy old Tony. —–Original Message—– [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Alan Gillanders Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2013 3:54 PM Cc: birding-aus@lists.vicnet.net.au G’day Allan, I have a Golden Bowerbird which responds positively to my voice (sometimes). I do not feed this bird or offer him any enticements. One time when I approached the bower there was a group already there who informed me that the bird was not around. I new better as I had heard him quietly doing his not very good Crimson Rosella imitations. I got everyone set up around the bower at a distance which would not upset the bird and spoke loudly, “Good morning handsome.” He came down to a nearby sapling before heading over to his favourite perch from which to watch his bower. All had good looks. On reflection it might have been, “G’day Stupid.” It is not only this bird which is somewhat disturbed. Regards, Alan Alan’s Wildlife Tours 2 Mather Road Yungaburra 4884 Phone 07 4095 3784 Mobile 0408 953 786 http://www.alanswildlifetours.com.au/ —–Original Message—– Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 4:02 PM Cc: birding-aus@lists.vicnet.net.au Hi Phil, I reckon the chatting would mean your list for the day would be lower, not because of flushing birds (unless someone is unduly loud), but because of missing birds while your mind isn’t on the job at hand. Nevertheless – birds do have a way of being obvious sometimes when folk are relaxed. Allan Richardson Morisset NSW On 11/07/2013, at 3:17 PM, Philip Veerman wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
G’day Allan, I have a Golden Bowerbird which responds positively to my voice (sometimes). I do not feed this bird or offer him any enticements. One time when I approached the bower there was a group already there who informed me that the bird was not around. I new better as I had heard him quietly doing his not very good Crimson Rosella imitations. I got everyone set up around the bower at a distance which would not upset the bird and spoke loudly, “Good morning handsome.” He came down to a nearby sapling before heading over to his favourite perch from which to watch his bower. All had good looks. On reflection it might have been, “G’day Stupid.” It is not only this bird which is somewhat disturbed. Regards, Alan Alan’s Wildlife Tours 2 Mather Road Yungaburra 4884 Phone 07 4095 3784 Mobile 0408 953 786 http://www.alanswildlifetours.com.au/ —–Original Message—– Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 4:02 PM Cc: birding-aus@lists.vicnet.net.au Hi Phil, I reckon the chatting would mean your list for the day would be lower, not because of flushing birds (unless someone is unduly loud), but because of missing birds while your mind isn’t on the job at hand. Nevertheless – birds do have a way of being obvious sometimes when folk are relaxed. Allan Richardson Morisset NSW On 11/07/2013, at 3:17 PM, Philip Veerman wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================