I’m just going to call it a tick.
Tony
—–Original Message—– From: birding-aus-bounces@vicnet.net.au [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Michael Ramsey Sent: Friday, 9 July 2010 5:52 PM To: mklord@iinet.net.au; birding-aus@vicnet.net.au Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [Birding-Aus] Taxonomy of Melithreptus honeyeaters
Any suggestions or proposed common name? Western White-naped Honeyeater seems a bit long. Whitlock’s Honeyeater sounds good, or Western Honeyeater perhaps.
> From: mklord@iinet.net.au > To: birding-aus@vicnet.net.au > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 21:39:07 +1000 > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Taxonomy of Melithreptus honeyeaters > > For anyone interested in such things, a paper has just been published which advocates splitting the White naped Honeyeater into two – the South West WA form becoming Melithreptus whitlocki. > > This is no particular surprise; Christidis and Boles flagged the possibility and the latest Slater field guide has it as a separate species already. The paper advocates that treatment on the basis that genetically the two forms currently in White naped are in fact each more closely related to Black headed Honeyeater than they are to each other. While I have not read the entire paper, I don’t think it says anything that would particularly support splitting Golden backed from Black chinned. > > The citation of the paper is Toon, Hughes & Joseph 2010. Multilocus analysis of honeyeaters (Aves: Meliphagidae) highlights spatio-temporal heterogeneity in the influence of biogeographic barriers in the Australian monsoonal zone. Mol Ecol: in press. The abstract can be found at http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/123571854/abstract > > It also makes reference to an in press paper supporting the splitting of the Western Ground Parrot. > > Murray Lord > Sydney > ========== > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, > send the message: > unsubscribe > (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) > to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au > > http://birding-aus.org > ==========
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Sorry – Million years ago Cas
—–Original Message—– Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:13 AM
Very interesting Cas, but what does Ma signify ? Millenia ago ?
Tony
—–Original Message—– href=”mailto:birding-aus-bounces@vicnet.net.au”>birding-aus-bounces@vicnet.net.au [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Cas and Lisa Liber Sent: Wednesday, 14 July 2010 7:20 AM href=”mailto:birding-aus@vicnet.net.au”>birding-aus@vicnet.net.au; ‘birdswa email list’ Honeyeaters
I’ve now read the paper – the divergence between gularis and laetior is pretty recent (0.3-1.2 Ma), while White-throated Honeyeater (Melithreptus albogularis) split earlier (2.4-5.2 Ma) and is quite distinctive genetically (if I read rightly, it may represent two species, one eastern and one northern too)
Article also proposes divergence within the M. affinis-M. lunatus species group occurred around 2-4.6 Ma, leading to eastern and western taxa followed by the divergence within the eastern group around 1.2-3.2 Ma leading to the endemic Tasmanian species, M. affinis and eastern M. lunatus.
Adds that validirostris got isolated in Tasmania earlier.
Cheers Cas —–Original Message—– href=”mailto:birding-aus-bounces@vicnet.net.au”>birding-aus-bounces@vicnet.net.au [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Frank O”Connor Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:26 PM href=”mailto:birding-aus@vicnet.net.au”>birding-aus@vicnet.net.au; birdswa email list
I asked Ron Johnstone of the WA Museum about the proposed split of the White-naped Honeyeater in the south west. His reply is below.
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