Birding-Aus Digest, Vol 64, Issue 6

I am recently settled in Melbourne so don't write with much experience.  I think loss of insects (due to pesticides and light pollution) plays a role,  but am not sure how big. What is very striking to me is how few small bushbirds there are in the suburb we live in – Bundoora.  Our smallest garden bird is the blackbird. Brown Thornbills and the like only in larger patches of woodland with decent understorey. There are no sparrows other than around the shopping centres.  It strikes me that Noisy Miners and some of the 'bullies' are important factors in explaining the absence of small birds. Maybe more important than pesticides and lights. 
In Durban, South Africa we see a totally different picture.  Many small species in gardens and abundant House Sparrows. The only bully birds are Common Myna and their impact is debatable.  House Crow could be a problem but is controlled.  
Richard Boon 

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   1. Re: Australian Swiftlets in NSW (martin cachard)
   2. FW: Natural Images – latest posts on the Red Goshawks
      trapping in Cape York (David Crawford)
   3. Re: Birding-Aus Digest, Vol 64, Issue 5 (Michael Hunter)
   4. Re: Birding-Aus Digest, Vol 64, Issue 5 (Dave Torr)
   5. Melbourne sparrows (Michael Hunter)
   6. Re: Melbourne sparrows (Bill Stent)
   7. Re: Melbourne sparrows (Anthea Fleming)
   8. Re: Melbourne sparrows (gregmhunt@bigpond.com)
   9. Re: Melbourne sparrows (Philip Veerman)
  10. House Sparrows. (Michael Hunter)
  11. Re: Melbourne sparrows (John Harris)
  12. Re: Melbourne sparrows (Gordon Claridge)
  13. Re: Melbourne sparrows (Philip Veerman)
  14. Re: Melbourne sparrows (Tony Ashton)
  15. Re: Melbourne sparrows (David Clark)
  16. Re: Melbourne sparrows (Dave Torr)
  17. Re: Melbourne sparrows (Stephen Ambrose)
  18. Re: Melbourne sparrows (Tony Palliser)
  19. Re: Melbourne sparrows (Peter Shute)
  20. Re: Melbourne sparrows (Philip Veerman)
  21. FW:  Melbourne sparrows (Richard Nowotny)

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From: martin cachard <mcachard@hotmail.com>
To: Sandy Gilmore <gilmores240@gmail.com>,
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        tarburton  (SWIFT records)" <tarburton.m@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Australian Swiftlets in NSW
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hi Sandy,
that's a great record…

whilst not unheard of, it still isn't a common occurence to have Aust Swiftlets that far south into NE NSW.

I suspect it could have something to do with the record wet weather in NE Qld at the moment.

interestingly, although I am seeing loads of this species up here around Cairns at the moment as we do all year, I haven't seen either Fork-tailed (Pacific) Swifts or any White-throated Needletails up here for weeks since the wetter cooler weather had set in.
prior to that, I was seeing lots of both frequently.

so I suspect the food supply has decreased here somewhat of late, at least for the migrant species…

also, I hope you don't mind, but I've looped in Mike Tarburton in on this mail – he is THE Aussie expert on swifts and has an important ongoing longterm study underway, and he would be very interested to hear about your fantastic record!!

cheers,

martin cachard

trinity beach, cairns, fnq

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Subject: [Birding-Aus] Australian Swiftlets in NSW

On Saturday 2nd February at 5.15 Eastern Summer Time between Goonengerry and Repentance Creek, north-eastern N.S.W., I looked vertically and saw about 100 Australian Swiftlets fly overhead about 30 metres above the ground, on a ridge with a mixture of orchard and pasture and adjoining slopes and gullies with regrowth rainforest. This appears to have been the tail end of what could have been a bigger flock.

At first glance I thought they were martins but their wing profiles and flight looked too swift like, and I then saw they were grey where martins would be blue. All  were flying eastward with substantial gliding but occasionally one would spread its tail and slow rapidly as though catching an insect.

Half an hour earlier I had seen greyish white flashes when looking horizontally about 250 metres to the east of the sighting location, but, without my binoculars I had no idea what bird species they could have been, although the subsequent closer sighting suggests they may have been swiftlets.

It is tempting to speculate that the very wet conditions in north Queensland had driven them further south than usual.

Sandy Gilmore

Goonengerry, N.S.W. 2482

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Subject: [Birding-Aus] FW: Natural Images – latest posts on the Red
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The promise of a report from DES { Department of Environmental Science } after their meeting in January has not yet been made public and I am not sure if it took place or has been delayed, they may think if we keep quite this might all go away. I can assure you that it will not.

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From: Michael Hunter <drmhunter@westnet.com.au>
To: "birding-aus@birding-aus.org" <birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Birding-Aus Digest, Vol 64, Issue 5
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>   1. Re: Ponant Cruises (Stephen Ambrose)
>   2. 2019 Sydney pelagic dates (Greg McLachlan)
>   3. Re: Ponant Cruises (Anne Brophy)
>   4. last seats on 2019 tours (Advertisement) (Peter Waanders)
>   5. White-throated needletail (Kirri Hardy)
>   6. Australian Swiftlets in NSW (Sandy Gilmore)
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> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 15:53:01 +1100
> From: "Stephen Ambrose" <stephen@ambecol.com.au>
> To: "'calyptorhynchus'" <calyptorhynchus@gmail.com>, "'Carl Clifford'"
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> Hi John,
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>
> I?ve not received anything from Ponant either.  But a friend of mine (not a birdwatcher) went on their Antarctic cruise about 3 years ago and there was an ornithologist on board who gave lectures and identified the birds they encountered, so they probably have a bird list for that cruise at least.  I don?t know about the other Ponant cruises, though.
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>
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> Stephen Ambrose
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> Ryde, NSW
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> If I got one of these emails i?d Reply and ask to see the bird list for each of their cruises.
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> John Leonard
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> On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 at 14:33 Carl Clifford <carlsclifford@gmail.com <mailto:carlsclifford@gmail.com> > wrote:
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> Yes, I have received a few. I guess they bought your address as part of a job lot from a dealer. It is a not uncommon practice in the world of marketing. I find the Ponant emails rather unsettling, as I would never have cash to go on one.
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> On Monday, February 4, 2019, Chris Lloyd <chris.lloyd@wiyanga.com.au <mailto:chris.lloyd@wiyanga.com.au> > wrote:
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> I have recently started receiving unsolicited email from this cruise company to an address I only use for private material. I am quite used to receiving such email on a commercial email address including numerous generous offers from various Nigerian agencies. I have asked the company where it got the email address but have not been overwhelmed with the response. Have others received such unsolicited material?
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> The dates for pelagic trips running out of Sydney during 2019 are below.
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> Saturday 9 February 2019
> Saturday 9 March 2019
> Saturday 13 April 2019
> Saturday 11 May 2019
> Saturday 8 June 2019
> Saturday 13 July 2019
> Saturday 10 August 2019
> Saturday 14 September 2019
> Saturday 12 October 2019
> Saturday 9 November 2019
> Saturday 14 December 2019
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> Trip information, reports and booking details can be found on the web site.
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> I receive emails from Ponant but I believe that?s my fault as I entered a competition to travel to the Antarctic with them…
>
> They do advertise with glossy inserts in the SMH quite frequently!
>
> Kind regards,
> Anne
>
>> On 4 Feb 2019, at 15:53, Stephen Ambrose <stephen@ambecol.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I?ve not received anything from Ponant either.  But a friend of mine (not a birdwatcher) went on their Antarctic cruise about 3 years ago and there was an ornithologist on board who gave lectures and identified the birds they encountered, so they probably have a bird list for that cruise at least.  I don?t know about the other Ponant cruises, though.
>>
>> Stephen Ambrose
>> Ryde, NSW
>>
>>
>> From: Birding-Aus <birding-aus-bounces@birding-aus.org> On Behalf Of calyptorhynchus
>> Sent: 4 February 2019 3:25 PM
>> To: Carl Clifford <carlsclifford@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Chris Lloyd <chris.lloyd@wiyanga.com.au>; birding-aus@birding-aus.org
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Ponant Cruises
>>
>> If I got one of these emails i?d Reply and ask to see the bird list for each of their cruises.
>>
>> John Leonard
>>
>> On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 at 14:33 Carl Clifford <carlsclifford@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes, I have received a few. I guess they bought your address as part of a job lot from a dealer. It is a not uncommon practice in the world of marketing. I find the Ponant emails rather unsettling, as I would never have cash to go on one.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 4, 2019, Chris Lloyd <chris.lloyd@wiyanga.com.au> wrote:
>> I have recently started receiving unsolicited email from this cruise company to an address I only use for private material. I am quite used to receiving such email on a commercial email address including numerous generous offers from various Nigerian agencies. I have asked the company where it got the email address but have not been overwhelmed with the response. Have others received such unsolicited material?
>>
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> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 00:17:27 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Kirri Hardy <neways34@yahoo.com.au>
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> Subject: [Birding-Aus] White-throated needletail
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> Hello
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> This is a message more specifically for Mike Tarburton for his records
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> About 8-10 WTNT's (not many) were seen this morning flying above the road that leads towards Tyalgum/ out of Murwillumbah NSW
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> About 1Km from the Hare Krishna Community turn off
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> Kirri 😀
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 13:47:53 +1100
> From: Sandy Gilmore <gilmores240@gmail.com>
> To: birding-aus@birding-aus.org
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Australian Swiftlets in NSW
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> On Saturday 2nd February at 5.15 Eastern Summer Time between Goonengerry
> and Repentance Creek, north-eastern N.S.W., I looked vertically and saw
> about 100 Australian Swiftlets fly overhead about 30 metres above the
> ground, on a ridge with a mixture of orchard and pasture and adjoining
> slopes and gullies with regrowth rainforest. This appears to have been the
> tail end of what could have been a bigger flock.
>
> At first glance I thought they were martins but their wing profiles and
> flight looked too swift like, and I then saw they were grey where martins
> would be blue. All  were flying eastward with substantial gliding but
> occasionally one would spread its tail and slow rapidly as though catching
> an insect.
>
> Half an hour earlier I had seen greyish white flashes when looking
> horizontally about 250 metres to the east of the sighting location, but,
> without my binoculars I had no idea what bird species they could have been,
> although the subsequent closer sighting suggests they may have been
> swiftlets.
>
> It is tempting to speculate that the very wet conditions in north
> Queensland had driven them further south than usual.
>
> Sandy Gilmore
>
> Goonengerry, N.S.W. 2482
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 08:29:46 +1100
From: Dave Torr <davidtorr@gmail.com>
To: Michael Hunter <drmhunter@westnet.com.au>
Cc: "birding-aus@birding-aus.org" <birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Birding-Aus Digest, Vol 64, Issue 5
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Even better is to report it as Spam. Clicking Unsubscribe confirms that
your address is a valid address – whilst I am sure that Ponant are a
legitimate business many less legitimate people sending out huge numbers of
emails to addresses which may or may not exist – if you unsubscribe you
immediately confirm that you exist and are thus a better target in future
(and if they are not a legitimate business they are unlikely to take you
off their mail list). Furthermore if you did not sign up for Ponant but
they got your address by buying a mailing list then as far as I am
concerned it is spam and to be discouraged – and if enough people report as
spam then they may find their ISP reluctant to deal with them in future.

On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 at 08:23, Michael Hunter <drmhunter@westnet.com.au>
wrote:

> Unsolicited  advertising should be almost immediately terminated by
> clicking on  the usually very fine print saying "unsubscribe" or similar at
> the bottom of the email.
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> >   1. Re: Ponant Cruises (Stephen Ambrose)
> >   2. 2019 Sydney pelagic dates (Greg McLachlan)
> >   3. Re: Ponant Cruises (Anne Brophy)
> >   4. last seats on 2019 tours (Advertisement) (Peter Waanders)
> >   5. White-throated needletail (Kirri Hardy)
> >   6. Australian Swiftlets in NSW (Sandy Gilmore)
> >
> >
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 15:53:01 +1100
> > From: "Stephen Ambrose" <stephen@ambecol.com.au>
> > To: "'calyptorhynchus'" <calyptorhynchus@gmail.com>, "'Carl Clifford'"
> >    <carlsclifford@gmail.com>
> > Cc: "'Chris Lloyd'" <chris.lloyd@wiyanga.com.au>,
> >    <birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Ponant Cruises
> > Message-ID: <000501d4bc45$821eaa00$865bfe00$@ambecol.com.au>
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> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> >
> >
> > I?ve not received anything from Ponant either.  But a friend of mine
> (not a birdwatcher) went on their Antarctic cruise about 3 years ago and
> there was an ornithologist on board who gave lectures and identified the
> birds they encountered, so they probably have a bird list for that cruise
> at least.  I don?t know about the other Ponant cruises, though.
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen Ambrose
> >
> > Ryde, NSW
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Birding-Aus <birding-aus-bounces@birding-aus.org> On Behalf Of
> calyptorhynchus
> > Sent: 4 February 2019 3:25 PM
> > To: Carl Clifford <carlsclifford@gmail.com>
> > Cc: Chris Lloyd <chris.lloyd@wiyanga.com.au>;
> birding-aus@birding-aus.org
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Ponant Cruises
> >
> >
> >
> > If I got one of these emails i?d Reply and ask to see the bird list for
> each of their cruises.
> >
> >
> >
> > John Leonard
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 at 14:33 Carl Clifford <carlsclifford@gmail.com
> <mailto:carlsclifford@gmail.com> > wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I have received a few. I guess they bought your address as part of
> a job lot from a dealer. It is a not uncommon practice in the world of
> marketing. I find the Ponant emails rather unsettling, as I would never
> have cash to go on one.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday, February 4, 2019, Chris Lloyd <chris.lloyd@wiyanga.com.au
> <mailto:chris.lloyd@wiyanga.com.au> > wrote:
> >
> > I have recently started receiving unsolicited email from this cruise
> company to an address I only use for private material. I am quite used to
> receiving such email on a commercial email address including numerous
> generous offers from various Nigerian agencies. I have asked the company
> where it got the email address but have not been overwhelmed with the
> response. Have others received such unsolicited material?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > —
> >
> > John Leonard
> > Canberra
> > Australia
> > www.jleonard.net <http://www.jleonard.net>
> >
> > ?There is kinship between people and all animals. Such is the Law.?
> Kimberley lawmen (from Yorro Yorro)
> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 07:41:59 +1100
> > From: Greg McLachlan <boombana@gmail.com>
> > To: Birding Aus <birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] 2019 Sydney pelagic dates
> > Message-ID:
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> > Hi All,
> >
> > The dates for pelagic trips running out of Sydney during 2019 are below.
> >
> > Saturday 9 February 2019
> > Saturday 9 March 2019
> > Saturday 13 April 2019
> > Saturday 11 May 2019
> > Saturday 8 June 2019
> > Saturday 13 July 2019
> > Saturday 10 August 2019
> > Saturday 14 September 2019
> > Saturday 12 October 2019
> > Saturday 9 November 2019
> > Saturday 14 December 2019
> >
> > Trip information, reports and booking details can be found on the web
> site.
> >
> > http://sydneypelagics.info
> > Cheers,
> > Greg McLachan
> >
> >
> > —
> >
> > *Sydney Pelagics*
> > *W:* sydneypelagics.info   *E:* contact@sydneypelagics.info
> > *M:* Greg 0405 578 967 <0405-578-967> or David 0408 905 666
> <0408-905-666>
> > WEB SITE <http://sydneypelagics.info/> | BOOKINGS
> > <http://sydneypelagics.info/bookings.shtml> | PICK-UP
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 08:02:29 +1100
> > From: Anne Brophy <annecbrophy@gmail.com>
> > To: Stephen Ambrose <stephen@ambecol.com.au>
> > Cc: calyptorhynchus <calyptorhynchus@gmail.com>, Carl Clifford
> >    <carlsclifford@gmail.com>, Chris Lloyd <chris.lloyd@wiyanga.com.au>,
> >    birding-aus@birding-aus.org
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Ponant Cruises
> > Message-ID: <3F66730B-17AF-4516-8CB5-5444E3829C9C@gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > I receive emails from Ponant but I believe that?s my fault as I entered
> a competition to travel to the Antarctic with them…
> >
> > They do advertise with glossy inserts in the SMH quite frequently!
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Anne
> >
> >> On 4 Feb 2019, at 15:53, Stephen Ambrose <stephen@ambecol.com.au>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi John,
> >>
> >> I?ve not received anything from Ponant either.  But a friend of mine
> (not a birdwatcher) went on their Antarctic cruise about 3 years ago and
> there was an ornithologist on board who gave lectures and identified the
> birds they encountered, so they probably have a bird list for that cruise
> at least.  I don?t know about the other Ponant cruises, though.
> >>
> >> Stephen Ambrose
> >> Ryde, NSW
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Birding-Aus <birding-aus-bounces@birding-aus.org> On Behalf Of
> calyptorhynchus
> >> Sent: 4 February 2019 3:25 PM
> >> To: Carl Clifford <carlsclifford@gmail.com>
> >> Cc: Chris Lloyd <chris.lloyd@wiyanga.com.au>;
> birding-aus@birding-aus.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Ponant Cruises
> >>
> >> If I got one of these emails i?d Reply and ask to see the bird list for
> each of their cruises.
> >>
> >> John Leonard
> >>
> >> On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 at 14:33 Carl Clifford <carlsclifford@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Yes, I have received a few. I guess they bought your address as part of
> a job lot from a dealer. It is a not uncommon practice in the world of
> marketing. I find the Ponant emails rather unsettling, as I would never
> have cash to go on one.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Monday, February 4, 2019, Chris Lloyd <chris.lloyd@wiyanga.com.au>
> wrote:
> >> I have recently started receiving unsolicited email from this cruise
> company to an address I only use for private material. I am quite used to
> receiving such email on a commercial email address including numerous
> generous offers from various Nigerian agencies. I have asked the company
> where it got the email address but have not been overwhelmed with the
> response. Have others received such unsolicited material?
> >>
> >>
> >> <HR>
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> >> —
> >> John Leonard
> >> Canberra
> >> Australia
> >> www.jleonard.net
> >>
> >> ?There is kinship between people and all animals. Such is the Law.?
> Kimberley lawmen (from Yorro Yorro)
> >>
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:12:38 +1030
> > From: Peter Waanders <waanders.peter@gmail.com>
> > To: Birding Aus <birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] last seats on 2019 tours (Advertisement)
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Feel like boosting your life list this year? Or just great birding in
> > out-of-the way places with like-minded people? We have only 1 or 2 seats
> > left on the following 2019 tours:
> >
> > – Malaysia, June
> > – 9 Grasswrens (standard), July
> > – 9 Grasswrens (comfortable), Aug
> > – Top End, Sep
> > – Grey Falcon/Letter-winged Kites, Sep
> > – Six Grasswrens, Oct
> > – Western SA splits, Nov.
> >
> > Check our website for details or feel free to contact me any time!
> >
> > cheers,
> > Peter
> > ———
> > Bellbird Birding Tours / Bellbird Photography Tours / Australian Birding
> > Store
> >
> > t:    1800-BIRDING (free from landlines in Australia)  or +61 402 738 855
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 00:17:27 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Kirri Hardy <neways34@yahoo.com.au>
> > To: <birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] White-throated needletail
> > Message-ID: <45790245.2996304.1549325847368@mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > This is a message more specifically for Mike Tarburton for his records
> >
> > About 8-10 WTNT's (not many) were seen this morning flying above the
> road that leads towards Tyalgum/ out of Murwillumbah NSW
> >
> > About 1Km from the Hare Krishna Community turn off
> >
> > Kirri 😀
> >
> >
> >
> > ——————————
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 13:47:53 +1100
> > From: Sandy Gilmore <gilmores240@gmail.com>
> > To: birding-aus@birding-aus.org
> > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Australian Swiftlets in NSW
> > Message-ID:
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > On Saturday 2nd February at 5.15 Eastern Summer Time between Goonengerry
> > and Repentance Creek, north-eastern N.S.W., I looked vertically and saw
> > about 100 Australian Swiftlets fly overhead about 30 metres above the
> > ground, on a ridge with a mixture of orchard and pasture and adjoining
> > slopes and gullies with regrowth rainforest. This appears to have been
> the
> > tail end of what could have been a bigger flock.
> >
> > At first glance I thought they were martins but their wing profiles and
> > flight looked too swift like, and I then saw they were grey where martins
> > would be blue. All  were flying eastward with substantial gliding but
> > occasionally one would spread its tail and slow rapidly as though
> catching
> > an insect.
> >
> > Half an hour earlier I had seen greyish white flashes when looking
> > horizontally about 250 metres to the east of the sighting location, but,
> > without my binoculars I had no idea what bird species they could have
> been,
> > although the subsequent closer sighting suggests they may have been
> > swiftlets.
> >
> > It is tempting to speculate that the very wet conditions in north
> > Queensland had driven them further south than usual.
> >
> > Sandy Gilmore
> >
> > Goonengerry, N.S.W. 2482
> >
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 09:37:46 +1100
From: Michael Hunter <drmhunter@westnet.com.au>
To: "<birding-aus@birding-aus.org>" <birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Melbourne sparrows
Message-ID: <FEF33B96-7CAE-4DE5-9B52-9F30D3F80DB9@westnet.com.au>
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Am briefly in downtown Melbourne, outside the Town Hall, and amazed at the number of House Sparrows. 

None in Sydney or Brisbane .

What has Melbourne got that they don't ?

               Cheers.  Michael

Sent from my iPhone

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 09:40:32 +1100
From: Bill Stent <billstent@gmail.com>
To: "Michael Hunter" <drmhunter@westnet.com.au>,
        <birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Melbourne sparrows
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I've no idea, probably something to do with climate. The challenge is to
find Tree Sparrows.

Welcome to Melbourne anyway.

Bill

—–Original Message—–
From: Michael Hunter
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 9:37 AM
To: <birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Melbourne sparrows

Am briefly in downtown Melbourne, outside the Town Hall, and amazed at the
number of House Sparrows.

None in Sydney or Brisbane .

What has Melbourne got that they don't ?

               Cheers.  Michael

Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 10:15:55 +1100
From: Anthea Fleming <flambeau@labyrinth.net.au>
To: birding-aus@birding-aus.org
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Melbourne sparrows
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In Melbourne, there are plenty of House Sparrows in the CBD and around
shopping centres. Lots of food there.  But they have largely disappeared
from parks and house gardens.
Anthea Fleming

On 6/02/2019 9:37 AM, Michael Hunter wrote:
> Am briefly in downtown Melbourne, outside the Town Hall, and amazed at the number of House Sparrows.
>
> None in Sydney or Brisbane .
>
> What has Melbourne got that they don't ?
>
>                 Cheers.  Michael
>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 10:19:59 +1100
From: <gregmhunt@bigpond.com>
To: "'Anthea Fleming'" <flambeau@labyrinth.net.au>,
        <birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Melbourne sparrows
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Dear All, I did see a small group of 5 or so Tree sparrows in June last year
in Johnson Street, Collingwood, near the Nicholson St corner.

Cheers

Greg Hunt

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From: Birding-Aus <birding-aus-bounces@birding-aus.org> On Behalf Of Anthea
Fleming
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2019 10:16 AM
To: birding-aus@birding-aus.org
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Melbourne sparrows

In Melbourne, there are plenty of House Sparrows in the CBD and around
shopping centres. Lots of food there.  But they have largely disappeared
from parks and house gardens.
Anthea Fleming

On 6/02/2019 9:37 AM, Michael Hunter wrote:
> Am briefly in downtown Melbourne, outside the Town Hall, and amazed at the
number of House Sparrows.
>
> None in Sydney or Brisbane .
>
> What has Melbourne got that they don't ?
>
>                 Cheers.  Michael
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 10:31:23 +1100
From: "Philip Veerman" <pveerman@pcug.org.au>
To: "'Michael Hunter'" <drmhunter@westnet.com.au>,
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Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Melbourne sparrows
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It is now 42 years since I did my honours thesis at La Trobe uni (in
Melbourne, for those who don't know) comparing the social behaviour of the 2
sparrow species. Back then both were common there, although the Tree Sparrow
not as widespread (other than at La Trobe, another hot spot was the
Melbourne Zoo). After that I had 4 years in Brisbane. Funny, I can't recall
them not being in Brisbane or Sydney. It is notable that the House Sparrow
population has declined drastically in Canberra (as it has in Europe). Maybe
it is the ibis in Sydney or Brisbane that eat everything of the human mess.

Philip

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Subject: [Birding-Aus] House Sparrows.
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Until recently we were domiciled in Mulgoa Valley, semi-rural with House Sparrows resident and thriving.
Until the horse people next door departed, about five years ago,  in retrospect it was over the ensuing months that the sparrows  disappeared, only one or two briefly passing through.

The decline has been worldwide.

The most appealing explanation is that although graniverous,  Passer domesticus needs insects to feed their chicks. The overwhelming use of insecticides throughout the developed world (House Sparrows have colonised dwellings worldwide outside the polar regions)  has killed off the insects.

The horses next door supported plenty of flies and presumably sparrows too.

Although we Sydneysiders are aware that horse-drawn trams probably disappeared from Melbourne, years ago, there must be some explanation other than horses, although they are in the news. Jiggers in that context are not insects,

Some towns and cities spray their entire area for Mosquitos and flies. We now live at Avoca Beach on the NSW. Central. Coast in our onetime holiday house.  Until this year night lights attracted insects galore, and some interesting geckos feeding on them, but this year almost none. No  Dollarbirds, ( yet anyway but usually here at Christmas) occasional Welcome Swallows, no Wrens except on the littoral vegetation  between houses and the beach. Not sure if the Council is spraying or possibly just the accumulation of domestic sprayers.

           House Sparrows are behaviourally very interesting and their loss is sad. 

                Michael

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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 09:01:53 +1000
From: John Harris <wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com>
To: Bill Stent <BillStent@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Hunter <drmhunter@westnet.com.au>, Birding Aus
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Michael,
That's a very open question, where does one start as to why Melbourne is
different to Sydney, or Brisbane….

Have fun in our great city 😉

Cheers

John

Yours in all things "Green"

John Harris
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 10:01:06 +1000
From: Gordon Claridge <gfclaridge@gmail.com>
To: Philip Veerman <pveerman@pcug.org.au>
Cc: Michael Hunter <drmhunter@westnet.com.au>,
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House sparrows were common in Brisbane and its suburbs 40 years ago.

Gordon

> On 6 Feb 2019, at 9:31 AM, Philip Veerman <pveerman@pcug.org.au> wrote:
>
> It is now 42 years since I did my honours thesis at La Trobe uni (in
> Melbourne, for those who don't know) comparing the social behaviour of the 2
> sparrow species. Back then both were common there, although the Tree Sparrow
> not as widespread (other than at La Trobe, another hot spot was the
> Melbourne Zoo). After that I had 4 years in Brisbane. Funny, I can't recall
> them not being in Brisbane or Sydney. It is notable that the House Sparrow
> population has declined drastically in Canberra (as it has in Europe). Maybe
> it is the ibis in Sydney or Brisbane that eat everything of the human mess.
>
> Philip
>
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 10:59:16 +1100
From: "Philip Veerman" <pveerman@pcug.org.au>
To: <gregmhunt@bigpond.com>, "'Anthea Fleming'"
        <flambeau@labyrinth.net.au>, <birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Melbourne sparrows
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For what it is worth, in 1978 I suspect the population size of Tree Sparrows
at La Trobe Uni campus alone, would have been in the vicinity of 200. I
spent a lot of time following flocks to observe individual distance and
flock cohesion, and typical flock size of Tree Sparrows was 20 to 40 (of
course some mixed flocks). At any time there would be several flocks
occupying different sections of the campus and these were fairly stable.
Over a week or two, I trapped about 15 Tree Sparrows and about twice as many
House Sparrows. Sorry amazingly I don't see these numbers in my thesis, nor
a lot of other stuff, (I paid my typist by the page and for now I can't even
remember where I got the funds from). It should be somewhere in my notebook,
which I might still have somewhere.

Philip

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From: Birding-Aus [mailto: shopping centres. Lots of food there.  But they have largely disappeared
from parks and house gardens.
Anthea Fleming

On 6/02/2019 9:37 AM, Michael Hunter wrote:
> Am briefly in downtown Melbourne, outside the Town Hall, and amazed at the
number of House Sparrows.
>
> None in Sydney or Brisbane .
>
> What has Melbourne got that they don't ?
>
>                 Cheers.  Michael

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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 10:01:08 +1000
From: Tony Ashton <
tonyashton0@gmail.com>
To: Philip Veerman <pveerman@pcug.org.au>
Cc: Michael Hunter <drmhunter@westnet.com.au>, Birding-Aus
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Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Melbourne sparrows
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Sparrows in Nundah, Brisbane; Rowes Bay, Townsville; Ingham. Generally many
people= some House Sparrows.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:32 AM Philip Veerman <pveerman@pcug.org.au> wrote:

> It is now 42 years since I did my honours thesis at La Trobe uni (in
> Melbourne, for those who don't know) comparing the social behaviour of the
> 2
> sparrow species. Back then both were common there, although the Tree
> Sparrow
> not as widespread (other than at La Trobe, another hot spot was the
> Melbourne Zoo). After that I had 4 years in Brisbane. Funny, I can't recall
> them not being in Brisbane or Sydney. It is notable that the House Sparrow
> population has declined drastically in Canberra (as it has in Europe).
> Maybe
> it is the ibis in Sydney or Brisbane that eat everything of the human
> mess.
>
> Philip
>
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 11:01:49 +1100
From: David Clark <meathead.clark5@gmail.com>
To: birding-aus <birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Melbourne sparrows
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They were pretty common when we first moved to Box Hill 30 odd years ago but had completely disappeared by the turn of the century (probably around the time the Noisy Miners turned up).

They are in plague proportions on our home on the Bellarine Peninsula and I?ll have to find a way to stop them eating the chook food.

Cheers

David

Sent from my iPad

> On 6 Feb 2019, at 10:15 am, Anthea Fleming <flambeau@labyrinth.net.au> wrote:
>
> In Melbourne, there are plenty of House Sparrows in the CBD and around shopping centres. Lots of food there.  But they have largely disappeared from parks and house gardens.
> Anthea Fleming
>
>
>
>> On 6/02/2019 9:37 AM, Michael Hunter wrote:
>> Am briefly in downtown Melbourne, outside the Town Hall, and amazed at the number of House Sparrows.
>>
>> None in Sydney or Brisbane .
>>
>> What has Melbourne got that they don't ?
>>
>>                Cheers.  Michael
>>
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 12:27:13 +1100
From: Dave Torr <davidtorr@gmail.com>
To: David Clark <meathead.clark5@gmail.com>
Cc: birding-aus <birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Melbourne sparrows
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My friends in the eastern suburbs report they are now pretty scarce in that
area – I live in the west (Werribee) and they are still common, and Tree
Sparrows are not hard to find either

On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 at 12:19, David Clark <meathead.clark5@gmail.com> wrote:

> They were pretty common when we first moved to Box Hill 30 odd years ago
> but had completely disappeared by the turn of the century (probably around
> the time the Noisy Miners turned up).
>
> They are in plague proportions on our home on the Bellarine Peninsula and
> I?ll have to find a way to stop them eating the chook food.
>
> Cheers
>
> David
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 6 Feb 2019, at 10:15 am, Anthea Fleming <flambeau@labyrinth.net.au>
> wrote:
> >
> > In Melbourne, there are plenty of House Sparrows in the CBD and around
> shopping centres. Lots of food there.  But they have largely disappeared
> from parks and house gardens.
> > Anthea Fleming
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 6/02/2019 9:37 AM, Michael Hunter wrote:
> >> Am briefly in downtown Melbourne, outside the Town Hall, and amazed at
> the number of House Sparrows.
> >>
> >> None in Sydney or Brisbane .
> >>
> >> What has Melbourne got that they don't ?
> >>
> >>                Cheers.  Michael
> >>
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