Has anyone else noticed the annoying trend of adding the word ‘bird’ or ‘birds’ to common bird names such as tern, cormorant etc. This evening’s introduction to ‘Wild Britain’ mentions “nightjar birds” I have even seen it in a circular from the South Australian Dept. of Environment and Natural Resources which referred to “little tern birds”. There appears to be cultural cringe/PC that does not want to offend or bewilder anyone who may be unaware that a tern, cormorant etc is in fact a bird! End of rant Neil Cheshire Encounter Bay, South Australia.
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I took my young son on one of the little train rides around the Royal Botanic Gardens in Sydney and the guide kept calling the white ibises “ibis-birds”, which I found a little grating to my ears and I have to resist the urge to say something… Cas
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Stephen, Thanks for your information and reasoned response. I would have had to look most of that up (and was planning to do so in response to some of the stuff posted to this forum). It is a long time since I read about it. I still think that Eutheria is a bit of a reach, even for an arrogant species which is declared to be very wise; eu- meaning good, right, true and proper. Regards, Alan Alan’s Wildlife Tours 2 Mather Road Yungaburra 4884 Phone 07 4095 3784 Mobile 0408 953 786 http://www.alanswildlifetours.com.au/ —–Original Message—– Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:09 PM
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No because “koala” doesn’t mean “bear”, although where tautology could be applied to a term where the meaning is not immediately clear, I don’t know. Denise Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow PO Box 71 Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841 PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW. Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia Founding Member: Australian Federation of Graduate Women Northern Territory 043 8650 835 On 25 Sep 2014, at 11:32 pm, Tim Dolby < Tim.Dolby@vu.edu.au> wrote:
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I’m confused – Koala Bear – is that tautology? As in ‘How much can a Koala bear?’ Cheers, Tim ________________________________________ Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:40 PM Has anyone else noticed the annoying trend of adding the word ‘bird’ or ‘birds’ to common bird names such as tern, cormorant etc. This evening’s introduction to ‘Wild Britain’ mentions “nightjar birds” I have even seen it in a circular from the South Australian Dept. of Environment and Natural Resources which referred to “little tern birds”. There appears to be cultural cringe/PC that does not want to offend or bewilder anyone who may be unaware that a tern, cormorant etc is in fact a bird! End of rant Neil Cheshire Encounter Bay, South Australia.
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Marsupial embryos are attached to the wall of the uterus by a placenta in the very early stages of development. The outer layer of cells in the fertilised, dividing egg is called the trophoblast. When the egg implants itself in the uterine wall, the trophoblast begins to differentiate into the different tissue layers that form the placenta and invade the maternal decidua (uterine lining). In eutherians (true placentals) the trophoblast secretes chemicals (e.g. phosphocholine) that help the embryo avoid detection by the maternal immune system, and develops suppressor cells which inhibit the actions of maternal antigens that enter the body of the foetus. Therefore, the foetus of eutherian mammals can remain implanted in the uterus during its major phase of growth. On the other hand, the trophoblast of metatherians (marsupials) has not evolved all the mechanisms to suppress the actions of maternal antigens that occur on the surface of the uterine lining. Therefore, although a marsupial placenta develops, there can only be a brief period of attachment, otherwise the mother’s immune system would eventually kill the foetus. Hence, the need for marsupial embryos to leave the uterus and develop as pouch young. The placenta in marsupials is derived from the part of the trophoblast that forms the embryo’s yolk sac. Hence, it is called the yolk sac placenta. In eutherians, the placenta is derived from the allantois, which is another embryonic sac that grows behind the yolk sac. Therefore, the eutherian placenta is known as the allantoic placenta. The difference in the origins of the eutherian and marsupial placentas probably explains why the latter lacks some of the mechanisms to effectively combat the mother’s immune system. So strictly speaking, marsupials should be regarded as placental mammals and I favour the use of the following clades (taxonomic groupings): Eutheria (allantoic placental mammals), Metatheria (marsupials) and Prototheria (monotremes). Stephen Ambrose Ryde NSW —–Original Message—– Jeremy O’Wheel Sent: Thursday, 25 September 2014 2:42 PM Cc: birding-aus@birding-aus.org Marsupials aren’t “placental mammals” either, although I think they do have a placenta of sorts (but very small). Placental mammals are mammals in the infra class “Placentalia”. Jeremy
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I guess a classic aussie colloquialism would be eagle hawk for the wedge tailed eagle. There is nothing hawk about this eagle it’s a full sized eagle eagle! Kev — Original Message — Sent: 25 September 2014 2:32 PM On 25/09/2014 1:37 PM, John Leonard wrote: Drongo? Incidentally, not all mammals are placental – Platypus and Echidna are mammals. Brian Fleming
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To be fair to Wild Britain, the programme itself didn’t refer to nightjar birds (or swallow birds or hobby birds) on any of the numerous occasions they were mentioned in the commentary. And the footage of each was stunning. The only significant bird naming error was to call a Red-legged Partridge a Red Partridge, a usage which is neither scientific nor colloquial. A pedant might complain that the nightjars, swallows and hobbies weren’t specifically referred to as European, Barn or Eurasian respectively, but it wasn’t necessary given that they are the only regularly occurring examples of each in Britain. Kevin Stracey
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Marsupials aren’t “placental mammals” either, although I think they do have a placenta of sorts (but very small). Placental mammals are mammals in the infra class “Placentalia”. Jeremy On 25 September 2014 14:26, brian fleming < flambeau@labyrinth.net.au> wrote:
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On 25/09/2014 1:37 PM, John Leonard wrote: Drongo? Incidentally, not all mammals are placental – Platypus and Echidna are mammals. Brian Fleming
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I believe the examples offered by Neil were Wild Britain talking about “nightjar birds” and the South Australian Department of Environment and Natural resources referring to “little tern birds”. “Cuckoo bird” sounds like a colloquialism to me. On 25 September 2014 13:37, John Leonard < calyptorhynchus@gmail.com> wrote:
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Anyone who doesn’t know a cuckoo is a bird is a …….. John Leonard
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I’m not really sure what this has to do with political correctness. Do you honestly think there are people offended if birds are referred to without specifically labelling “bird” after their name? It just seems like an attempt to make it clearer what sort of animal they’re talking about to me, which is good an example of good communication skills. You gain nothing by being only accessible to people with a knowledge of birds. Jeremy On 25 September 2014 10:15, Peter Shute < pshute@nuw.org.au> wrote:
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There might be more to it than adding clarity. Some people seem to like to do it in normal speech with some common bird names that most people would know are birds. E.g. jay bird, cuckoo bird. Peter Shute
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Some mammals don’t have placentas. Denise Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow PO Box 71 Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841 PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW. Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia Founding Member: Australian Federation of Graduate Women Northern Territory 043 8650 835 On 25 Sep 2014, at 8:17 am, Alan Gillanders < alan@alanswildlifetours.com.au > wrote:
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What about ‘placental mammal’? Alan’s Wildlife Tours 2 Mather Road Yungaburra 4884 Phone 07 4095 3784 Mobile 0408 953 786 http://www.alanswildlifetours.com.au/ —–Original Message—– Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:33 AM People out there do not object to PIN Number!! Shirley —– Original Message —– Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:40 PM
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What about all the Aboriginal names for themselves that mean “the people” e.g. Kunwinjku = “freshwater people”. Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow PO Box 71 Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841 PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW. Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia Founding Member: Australian Federation of Graduate Women Northern Territory 043 8650 835 On 25 Sep 2014, at 6:03 am, Shirley Cook < shirleycook@skymesh.com.au> wrote:
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People out there do not object to PIN Number!! Shirley —– Original Message —– Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:40 PM
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