G’day everyone,
Are Goshawks a type of Hawk, or is a Hawk different from a Goshawk? A friend forwarded this wiki link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accipitrinae to me showing that Goshawks and Hawks are together in the Genus Accipter .
Now I don’t know anything about how the classification of birds works, so does that mean that all birds that are in Accipter are essentially Hawks even though it may be called a Goshawk, or Sparrowhawk etc?
Regards,
Mark
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Thanks for the replies Dave and Kevin. I am now just that little bit wiser about our Hawks. (Go Hawthorn in 2011!!)
Regards, Mark
Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2011 2:36 PM Cc: Mark and Amanda Young; birding-aus@vicnet.net.au
But…in a non-technical sense, the word Hawk can be used much more broadly, eg the Shorter OED suggests it can cover all diurnal raptors (as well as offering a more detailed definition, but still broader than just accipitrinae). And there are lots of species outside acciptrinae with hawk in their English name: Bat Hawk is one which springs to mind, and in North America plenty of buteos.
Kevin Stracey
North Adelaide
Basically yes – Accipters are commonly called Hawks, and many of them are either Goshawks or Sparrowhawks, although some are just called Hawks and at least one (Shikra) doesn;t mention Hawk at all. We have no Aussie birds called “Hawks” without the Sparrow- or Gos- prefix. And to clarify all Goshawks/Sparrowhawks are Hawks.
On 31 March 2011 09:00, Mark and Amanda Youngwrote:
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Such as Harris’ Hawk, Parabuteo unicinctus. Great Name that!!
Yours in all things “green”
Regards
John Harris Manager, Environment and Sustainability Donvale Christian College 155 Tindals Rd Donvale 3111 03 9844 2471 Ext 217 0409 090 955 john.harris@donvale.vic.edu.au
President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria (FNCV) Past President, Victorian Association for Environmental Education (VAEE) But…in a non-technical sense, the word Hawk can be used much more broadly, eg the Shorter OED suggests it can cover all diurnal raptors (as well as offering a more detailed definition, but still broader than just *accipitrinae*). And there are lots of species outside *acciptrinae *with hawk in their English name: Bat Hawk is one which springs to mind, and in North America plenty of *buteos.*
**Kevin Stracey North Adelaide
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And another thing, The Crested Hawk is now known as Pacific Baza. The Bazas are, according to wiki, sometimes known as Cuckoo Hawks and the word Baza itself comes from a Hindi word “baaz” – meaning Northern Goshawk.
Just thought you’d like to know!
Chris Gregory
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But…in a non-technical sense, the word Hawk can be used much more broadly, eg the Shorter OED suggests it can cover all diurnal raptors (as well as offering a more detailed definition, but still broader than just *accipitrinae*). And there are lots of species outside *acciptrinae *with hawk in their English name: Bat Hawk is one which springs to mind, and in North America plenty of *buteos.*
**Kevin Stracey North Adelaide
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Basically yes – Accipters are commonly called Hawks, and many of them are either Goshawks or Sparrowhawks, although some are just called Hawks and at least one (Shikra) doesn;t mention Hawk at all. We have no Aussie birds called “Hawks” without the Sparrow- or Gos- prefix. And to clarify all Goshawks/Sparrowhawks are Hawks.
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