Another case of bird photographers behaving badly.
Carl Clifford
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Notes: photographers threaten endangered Hen Harriers in Holland
============================================================ FN ISI Export Format VR 1.0 PT J AN ZOOR14611079940 DT Article TI Disturbances at nests of hen harriers Circus cyaneus. FT Nestverstoringen bij Blauwe Kiekendieven Circus cyaneus. AU de Boer, Peter SO Takkeling VL 18 IS 2 PS 105-107 PY 2010 LA Dutch ME Print AB The Hen Harrier is a rare breeding bird in The Netherlands, nearing its extinction rapidly. Only 19 pairs were recorded in 2009, of which 17 on the Wadden Sea Islands; this is just 15% of the numbers registered in 1994. On the island of Terschelling, two nests were disturbed in 2009. Both nests had been the focus of attention of photographers, as visible from the trampling of vegetation and the creation of clearly visible paths to the nest. One of these nests is supposed to have been raided for commercial purposes (chicks removed), at the other nest one of the chicks was found nearby, deliberately trampled to death. Both nests may have been easier to find by people with bad intentions because of the behaviour of photographers. Codes of conduct for photographers are now available from several organisations, and disturbances are therefore unnecessary. C1 de Boer, Peter; Keerweer 23, 6862 CD Oosterbeek, Netherlands EM peterdeboer@fastmail.nl SN 1380-3735 BD Animals and man; Conservation; Techniques; Behavioural techniques; Ecology; Population dynamics; Land zones; Palaearctic region; Eurasia; Europe DE Circus cyaneus [Disturbance by man / Nest destruction / ] [Endangered status / / ] [Observation techniques / / ] [Population dynamics / Local extinction / ] [Population size / Breeding population size / ] [Netherlands / / ]. TN Birds; Chordates; Vertebrates ST Animalia, Chordata, Vertebrata, Aves, Falconiformes, Accipitridae OR Circus cyaneus (Accipitridae). UT ZOOREC:ZOOR14611079940 ER
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Jen, you mentioned DSLR cameras, but didn’t say how that was relevant. If you’re suggesting that bird photography has been made more popular by these cameras, I’d agree. The zero cost of experimental shots has probably made it possible for more people to overcome the learning curve. I would also guess that low cost “ultra zoom” compact cameras has been a stepping stone to DSLRs for many – a DSLR is really just the same thing, but better.
So, yes, there are certainly a lot more people taking photos of birds than a few years ago, whether they’re birders or not.
Peter Shute
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You would also have thought that before a photo could win anything it would have to be correctly labelled.
John Leonard
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Hi Jen,
I also was up at Bowra when the Restless F-c chicks hatched. I was taking shots from the steps of the quarters, when one of the photographers there said I should climb up the tree “so I could get a good shot”. I replied that the birds were being disturbed too much anyway. The photographer replied ” what’s the problem? The birds are probably going to be eaten by something anyway” I walked away before said photographer would have had to bend over to take any further photographs. Shortly after that, signs were placed in the quarters giving rules for photographing birds, but they seemed to make no difference to the behaviour of certain individuals.
I find it rather bizarre that Camera clubs have a code of ethics for the production of the images, but not for how the images were obtained.
Cheers,
Carl Clifford
Hi all,
I think some things have changed with the introduction of DSLR cameras and are being overlooked in this discussion. Without detracting from the concern that “some bird watchers” threaten the security of their target bird, the matter has become much wider.
For example, the photographers harassing the flycatchers at Bowra earlier this year were not “birdwatchers”, they were “photographers”. All they wanted were top images of birds for entry into photographic competitions.
I met them there but left the day after they arrived so missed the damage they supposedly did. I do know however that they were very excited to have the opportunity to photograph “Leaden Flycatchers” at the nest. They knew they were “Leadens” and not Restless because one “had rusty orange on the breast”. They had checked their field guide and I could not persuade them otherwise.
I ate my dinner with one of the photographers in the shearers shed and he was telling me all about his camera club and what the rules were about the images eg no digital manipulation, the images had to be as they were taken, hence the need for no branches obstructing the view etc. Photoshopped images could not be used in their competitions. And some of the photos were exquisite, even if the bird was misnamed.
It is still the minority giving the rest a bad name but they are no longer all “birdwatchers”, “bird photgraphers” have now joined the “birding” fraternity.
cheers
Jen
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Carl Clifford wrote: David,
If you read through the posts on Birding-Aus with an open mind, you will find that the apparently anti-photographer postings are about a minority who are giving the rest a bad name.
I have seen some utter bastardry carried out by photographers over the years. One incident in Malaysia I saw a photographer (a non-Malaysian) cutting away the vegetation obscuring the view of a Black-naped Monarch on its nest. The poor bird was hysterical, but bravely stuck to his nest. I have seen similar acts carried out here in Australia.
Well behaved photographers should, instead of protesting in high dudgeon, should perhaps look at cleaning out those photographers who are giving them a bad name rather than mounting broadsides at birders, otherwise the non-photographers will only start to think, to paraphrase Shakespeare, ” The photographers doth protest too much, methinks” .
I also photograph birds, having spent some $15k over the last few years. I don’t stalk birds to photograph them though. I use camouflage and wait for them to come to me (and, no, I do not use calls or bait.
Carl Clifford
Its seems to me that on a site like birding-aus there would now be very many birders who photograph birds, and in my opinion barbs at bird photographers as a group achieves very little. As in all things in life there will be isolated incidents of concern which we should all learn from, but personally i think that the contribution of photographers ( whether am or pro) over recent years has been generally nothing short of amazing, and has presented wonderful images and information on birds and highlighted birds and birding in ways we could not have imagined just a few years ago.
cheers
David Taylor
On 11/11/2010, at 12:04 PM, licole@ozemail.com.au wrote:
“Both nests had been the focus of attention of photographers, as visible from the trampling of vegetation”
Do you know something that was not in the text Carl?
It seems it is just not journalists that put 1 & 1 together to make 3 ;-).
However chances are we will marvel at some wonderful close-up footage by David Attenborough & his professional mates on a Sunday night in the future. “How do they get those shots?” All the while maintaining the divisions; Twitcher good, Professional photographer good, Amateur photographer bad..
Chris Charles
On Thu Nov 11 8:09 , Carl Clifford sent:
Another case of bird photographers behaving badly.
Carl Clifford
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Notes: photographers threaten endangered Hen Harriers in Holland
============================================================ FN ISI Export Format VR 1.0 PT J AN ZOOR14611079940 DT Article TI Disturbances at nests of hen harriers Circus cyaneus. FT Nestverstoringen bij Blauwe Kiekendieven Circus cyaneus. AU de Boer, Peter SO Takkeling VL 18 IS 2 PS 105-107 PY 2010 LA Dutch ME Print AB The Hen Harrier is a rare breeding bird in The Netherlands, nearing its extinction rapidly. Only 19 pairs were recorded in 2009, of which 17 on the Wadden Sea Islands; this is just 15% of the numbers registered in 1994. On the island of Terschelling, two nests were disturbed in 2009. Both nests had been the focus of attention of photographers, as visible from the trampling of vegetation and the creation of clearly visible paths to the nest. One of these nests is supposed to have been raided for commercial purposes (chicks removed), at the other nest one of the chicks was found nearby, deliberately trampled to death. Both nests may have been easier to find by people with bad intentions because of the behaviour of photographers. Codes of conduct for photographers are now available from several organisations, and disturbances are therefore unnecessary. C1 de Boer, Peter; Keerweer 23, 6862 CD Oosterbeek, Netherlands EM peterdeboer@fastmail.nl SN 1380-3735 BD Animals and man; Conservation; Techniques; Behavioural techniques; Ecology; Population dynamics; Land zones; Palaearctic region; Eurasia; Europe DE Circus cyaneus [Disturbance by man / Nest destruction / ] [Endangered status / / ] [Observation techniques / / ] [Population dynamics / Local extinction / ] [Population size / Breeding population size / ] [Netherlands / / ]. TN Birds; Chordates; Vertebrates ST Animalia, Chordata, Vertebrata, Aves, Falconiformes, Accipitridae OR Circus cyaneus (Accipitridae). UT ZOOREC:ZOOR14611079940 ER
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Hi all,
I think some things have changed with the introduction of DSLR cameras and are being overlooked in this discussion. Without detracting from the concern that “some bird watchers” threaten the security of their target bird, the matter has become much wider.
For example, the photographers harassing the flycatchers at Bowra earlier this year were not “birdwatchers”, they were “photographers”. All they wanted were top images of birds for entry into photographic competitions.
I met them there but left the day after they arrived so missed the damage they supposedly did. I do know however that they were very excited to have the opportunity to photograph “Leaden Flycatchers” at the nest. They knew they were “Leadens” and not Restless because one “had rusty orange on the breast”. They had checked their field guide and I could not persuade them otherwise.
I ate my dinner with one of the photographers in the shearers shed and he was telling me all about his camera club and what the rules were about the images eg no digital manipulation, the images had to be as they were taken, hence the need for no branches obstructing the view etc. Photoshopped images could not be used in their competitions. And some of the photos were exquisite, even if the bird was misnamed.
It is still the minority giving the rest a bad name but they are no longer all “birdwatchers”, “bird photgraphers” have now joined the “birding” fraternity.
cheers
Jen
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David,
If you read through the posts on Birding-Aus with an open mind, you will find that the apparently anti-photographer postings are about a minority who are giving the rest a bad name.
I have seen some utter bastardry carried out by photographers over the years. One incident in Malaysia I saw a photographer (a non-Malaysian) cutting away the vegetation obscuring the view of a Black-naped Monarch on its nest. The poor bird was hysterical, but bravely stuck to his nest. I have seen similar acts carried out here in Australia.
Well behaved photographers should, instead of protesting in high dudgeon, should perhaps look at cleaning out those photographers who are giving them a bad name rather than mounting broadsides at birders, otherwise the non-photographers will only start to think, to paraphrase Shakespeare, ” The photographers doth protest too much, methinks” .
I also photograph birds, having spent some $15k over the last few years. I don’t stalk birds to photograph them though. I use camouflage and wait for them to come to me (and, no, I do not use calls or bait.
Carl Clifford
Its seems to me that on a site like birding-aus there would now be very many birders who photograph birds, and in my opinion barbs at bird photographers as a group achieves very little. As in all things in life there will be isolated incidents of concern which we should all learn from, but personally i think that the contribution of photographers ( whether am or pro) over recent years has been generally nothing short of amazing, and has presented wonderful images and information on birds and highlighted birds and birding in ways we could not have imagined just a few years ago.
cheers
David Taylor
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Its seems to me that on a site like birding-aus there would now be very many birders who photograph birds, and in my opinion barbs at bird photographers as a group achieves very little. As in all things in life there will be isolated incidents of concern which we should all learn from, but personally i think that the contribution of photographers ( whether am or pro) over recent years has been generally nothing short of amazing, and has presented wonderful images and information on birds and highlighted birds and birding in ways we could not have imagined just a few years ago.
cheers
David Taylor
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Too true.
Carl
In researching my PhD topic I found that some American birders blame photographers for such behaviour, while photographers blame hard core birders. In my 28 years as a guide I’ve seen both behave badly. Denise
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