My only comment is, why? http://www.sydneyfoxrescue.com Carl Clifford
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Hi Everyone, This subject is somewhat alarming. The fox rescuers have a Facebook page. Its worth a visit and a comment or 2 https://www.facebook.com/SydneyFoxRescue?fref=ts Cheers, David Cameron On 29 October 2014 07:45, Denise Goodfellow < goodfellow@bigpond.com.au> wrote:
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And there are those (admittedly mostly European) who donated millions to the establishment of Franz Weber’s Bonrook Station, Pine Creek, NT. This refuge for wild horses, set up in Hooded Parrot territory, was advertised as an “ecotour” resort. Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow PO Box 71 Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841 PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW. Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia Founding Member: Australian Federation of Graduate Women Northern Territory 043 8650 835 On 28 Oct 2014, at 8:01 pm, Julian Bielewicz < osprey@bordernet.com.au> wrote:
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Greetings Anthea, et al And what about all those people who see the fox as a “beautiful animal” but are well aware that it s not a native? Akin to many European Australians going around the ridges? Cheers Julian @osprey00 http://www.birdingsouthburnett.com
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And no doubt they were very tasty. I have tried 3 species, Red, Sika and Sambar and would not push any off my plate. Carl Clifford
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Greg, I agree. People begin to relate to such introduced wildlife because they’re cute and cuddly or beautiful e.g. brumbies in Australia; or remind them of home; an introduced frog in Hawai’i. Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow PO Box 71 Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841 PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW. Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia Founding Member: Australian Federation of Graduate Women Northern Territory 043 8650 835 On 28 Oct 2014, at 1:45 pm, Greg and Val Clancy < gclancy@tpg.com.au> wrote:
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On 28/10/2014 3:15 PM, Greg and Val Clancy wrote: The Ornithological Congress in Christchurch NZ had an evening barbecue at a deer farm. Father returned with plate of hamburgers, to wife and waiting small daughter. “Don’t tell her they’re Bambi”. They have been Bambiburgers ever since. Brian Fleming
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And maybe the goats that seemed to be widespread in some western parks too??? Sonja On 28/10/2014, at 3:15 PM, “Greg and Val Clancy” < gclancy@tpg.com.au> wrote:
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The problem is that by rescuing foxes instead of humanely euthanizing them we run the risk of changing people’s attitudes to the point where there will be a call for the cute and cuddly fox to be protected, like the feral horse issue when we call them (romantically) brumbies. I like horses but not as feral animals damaging delicate ecosystems. Similarly the various deer species that people think are cute are a problem. They may well be cute but they are doing much damage in our parks and reserves. Regards Greg Dr Greg. P. Clancy Ecologist and Birding-wildlife Guide | PO Box 63 Coutts Crossing NSW 2460 | 02 6649 3153 | 0429 601 960 http://www.gregclancyecologistguide.com http://gregswildliferamblings.blogspot.com.au/ —–Original Message—– Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:17 PM Cc: Birding_Aus Hi Martin, I do have reservations about keeping wild animals in what amounts to solitary confinement for life, though. Having spent a week locked in a cell for 23 hours a day ( cutting out speeding fines in my youth), I would not like subject even a Fox to a lifetime sentence. Sure, it saves the life of some Fox kits, but what quality of life would they have? Carl
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Hi Martin, I do have reservations about keeping wild animals in what amounts to solitary confinement for life, though. Having spent a week locked in a cell for 23 hours a day ( cutting out speeding fines in my youth), I would not like subject even a Fox to a lifetime sentence. Sure, it saves the life of some Fox kits, but what quality of life would they have? Carl
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You’d be surprised at the number of people who believe that foxes are “beautiful native animals”! I blame this partly on confusion with the term ‘flying-fox’ for Fruit Bats, and partly on too much juvenile fiction from Europe and U.S. with hero foxes. Anthea Fleming On 28/10/2014 11:58 AM, Carl Clifford wrote:
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It appears they also only take very young foxes, and are happy to direct rescuers of older ones to a local vet. I can guess what will happen to them there. They say they check that people must have a fox proof enclosure before they can take a rescued fox. I guess there’s nothing stopping those people then releasing them later, but at least they’ll be de-sexed if they do. Unless all these precautions are just talk and only serve to make the operation appear legal, they sound like they do more good than harm, although I can’t see it being more efficient than traditional fox control measures. Peter Shute
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thanx for the link Carl… i’ve just had a quick look & read that they de-sex & never release back into the wild any foxes brought to them… this group could be a handy ally, I would have thought… cheers, martin cachard, cairns
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I’m starting a fox company too, it’s called Kill The Foxes On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Carl Clifford < carlsclifford@gmail.com> wrote: — All the best, James Mustafa 0400 951 517 http://www.jamesmustafajazzorchestra.com
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