Just had a email from Konkoit who have launched yet another listing app – seriously how many does the world need and how fragmented will all the data become if everyone uses a different system……
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Glad it is still of use – as I said I really ought to make a concerted effort to review the whole thing and maybe move it to a new site – but not until next year at the earliest I think. Maybe Jan when it is too hot to bird…..
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Found it, it’s “Birding Sites” under “Come Birding”: http://birdlifephotography.org.au/come-birding/birding-locations Here’s a random example of the useful stuff in it. The entry for Barmah (http://birdlifephotography.org.au/component/boca_birding_locations/showsite/12460-barmah) has a link to a pdf guide to the area by the Echuca branch of BOCA, whatever they’re called now. I’m sure lots of those resources linked to are gone or out of date by now, but lots would still be very useful. Does eBird have a place to record links to things like that? Peter Shute
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When Eremaea eBird was launched, there was mention of a specific BirdLife Atlas entry form to ensure all the Atlas data was included in a list. Currently I use the Other Area input form, but a lot of the information required has to be entered in the Comments field – not a very satisfactory process. And there is no certainty that the data will reach the Atlas as there was with the old Eremaea. I understand there are plans for a new portal to the Atlas, but eBird is here and now, and brilliantly easy to use. It would take very little effort to add an Atlas entry form to Eremaea eBird. If you would use such a form, please let Eremaea and BirdLife Australia know: http://help.ebird.org/customer/portal/emails/new?t=412380 and andrew.silcocks@birdlife.org.au If there is enough interest we may get a form! Regards Grahame Rogers
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My understanding is that Eremaea used to be able to send stuff to the BA atlas. Not sure if that happens with eBird?
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Given the way the message from Konkoit appeared, I like many others assumed it was spam and thus likely to lead to getting a few things I didn’t want as well as those advertised. Since no-one from Konkoit has seen fit to disabuse this list of that notion, I at least will be staying well away from it. (I find eBird to be very good for my purposes.) A point raised in this thread has been that of data being held in multiple locations. I see that as an important issue given the role of data in informing EISs development approvals etc. This isn’t to say there shouldn’t be multiple data capture mechanisms but the results should all end ‘somewhere’ agreed to be the official repository. Martin Martin Butterfield http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/ On 17 October 2014 07:52, Peter Shute < pshute@nuw.org.au> wrote:
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Not off the top of my head and at work with limited internet access, but if you go to birdlifephotography.org.au it is under one of the menu items as Birding Sites (I think)
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Have you got a URL for it, Dave? I wanted to check it for something a while back, but assumed it was long gone. Peter Shute
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Yes, that is correct Peter – I developed a system to record all of that stuff and put it on the old BOCA site – but it never was a recording system. It remains on the birdlifephotography site but has not been updated for years. Maybe if I get bored I will resurrect it next year…. On 17 October 2014 07:52, Peter Shute < pshute@nuw.org.au> wrote:
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Yes, before one rejects a new listing system perhaps one should consider whether it’s better than previous ones. Has anyone tried this Konkoit database? I agree with your final point about validation. As far as I know, this does distinguish eBird from many others, and it would be hard to beat it. My memory of Dave Torr’s project, if it’s the one I’m thnking of, was that it was primarily intended to collate information about birding sites – locations, maps, brochures, etc. A good idea, and I don’t think it has been made fully obsolete by the likes of eBird. Peter Shute
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I don’t ever recall launching one. I certainly have one that I wrote and use but I long ago decided that the costs are too large as you say – unless you get a lot of users (so you can cover costs) then it is a big hassle. In some ways I agree that the market will decide – but on the other hand for people searching for data the fewer repositories the better. eBird for better or worse seems to be the place that people use – I used to upload from my own app to Eremaea – since eBird came in I have yet to figure out how to upload data but no doubt I will at some stage…. And as others have pointed out the way this project was “launched” by what I regard as spam is offensive. On 16 October 2014 22:18, Mark Gafney < markgafney@gmail.com> wrote:
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Dave I seem to remember you launched your own listing project some time ago. I dont see you pushing it anymore so perhaps you took it down and are therefore maybe a bit biased against others launching similar projects. I seem to remember other projects (I think BirdStack was one) which also came and went probably because of the costs involved in running projects like this. My point is that there are pros and cons to different projects depending on what people want from their app but probably the most important thing is that the data gets validated somewhere, otherwise garbage in–garbage out Cheers Mark On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Dave Torr < davidtorr@gmail.com> wrote:
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The subscriber list isn’t available to anyone, and the archives remove email addresses so they can’t be harvested by a computer. That’s not stopping someone who subscribes from collecting addresses of people who post messages, or manually copying and pasting addresses form the archive and inserting the @ character back into them to make them work. If anyone objects to this sort of solicitation, I recommend complaining to the people sending the message. If they get 1100 complaints from birding-aus readers they will know not to try to sell us their listing app any more! Cheers Russell Birding-Aus Owner On 16 October 2014 09:03, Tony Russell < pratincole08@gmail.com> wrote:
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Geez Uncle Tones, Dont you want to add Dodo, Passenger Pigeon, Dwarf Emu, Paradise Parrot to your immortality list, when you finally do shuffle off? You know what they say, only the good die young…… [?] Have a good one mate, John *Yours in all things* “*GREEN”* *John Harris BASc, GDipEd* *Croydon, Vic* * Director – Wildlife Experiences Pty LtdPrincipal Ecologist/Zoologist* *Nature Photographer* *Wildlife Guide* *wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com < wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com>* *0409090955* *President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria* *(www.fncv.org.au)* On 16 October 2014 09:02, Tony Russell < pratincole08@gmail.com> wrote:
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Off birding-aus. —–Original Message—– Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2014 8:15 AM Cc: Dave Torr; birding-aus But how did Konkoit get all of our email addresses?
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I’m not sure I’d like to be immortal, it goes on too long. Shuffling off one’s mortal coil when my number comes up seems more appropriate. And it gives me a finite birdlist. —–Original Message—– Joseph Morlan Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2014 7:21 AM On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 06:59:57 +1100, Dave Torr < davidtorr@gmail.com> wrote: Consider eBird free… http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ If you keep your data on your personal computer, your observations will die with you. If you keep your data on eBird, you will be immortal. It was invaluable on my recent trip to Australia. It helped find local hotspots, and produced bar-graphs of seasonal abundance each locality. Has a bulk upload feature so you can import your existing data from most databases. — Joseph Morlan, Pacifica, CA “It turns out we’re very good at not seeing things” – Jack Hitt
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But how did Konkoit get all of our email addresses?
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I don’t use a mobile so it was easy for me to say no thanks. —–Original Message—– Dave Torr Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2014 6:30 AM Just had a email from Konkoit who have launched yet another listing app – seriously how many does the world need and how fragmented will all the data become if everyone uses a different system……
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 06:59:57 +1100, Dave Torr < davidtorr@gmail.com> wrote: Consider eBird free… http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ If you keep your data on your personal computer, your observations will die with you. If you keep your data on eBird, you will be immortal. It was invaluable on my recent trip to Australia. It helped find local hotspots, and produced bar-graphs of seasonal abundance each locality. Has a bulk upload feature so you can import your existing data from most databases. — Joseph Morlan, Pacifica, CA “It turns out we’re very good at not seeing things” – Jack Hitt
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