Sonja, that’s a very good and valid point. With couples, a very important market, one spouse might be interested in just the tick, while their other half would prefer a much better look. And so they’ll often negogiate so they both have a good experience. Denise On 25/10/13 11:27 AM, “Sonja Ross” <sonja.ross7@gmail.com> wrote: > I guess another reason for guides to consider their clients is that older > birders possibly have more money to spend on tours, and may therefore be > spreading the word about a particular guide, so it is to their financial > advantage to be considerate. Probably most clients would rather have good > views of a few birds, than brief glances at a greater number! > > Sonja > > > On 25/10/2013, at 12:40 PM, Denise Goodfellow <goodfellow@bigpond.com.au> > wrote: > >> Hi Tony >> >> I recall you raising this once before, and thank you for going into details. >> >> Bo Beolens gave a fascinating talk at the recent Wildlife Tourism Australia >> workshop on a related issue (see in title), that of disabled birders and >> “six foot” guides. >> >> Some of the statements from respondents to my PhD study mention similar >> problems. Some women complained about being out with such guides who could >> see a bird from their particular vantage point and grew angry that their >> clients couldn’t. One lady whom I know personally, returned from a trip on >> the point of exhaustion, ridden by the guide all the way to “keep up”. Her >> husband was furious. Another woman trying to keep up with the guide and two >> other clients who were racing ahead, fell and hurt herself so badly she had >> to be helicoptered out. >> >> One response to this sort of guiding, and again you raise this issue in your >> comment on “return business”, is that couples in particular, seem more >> likely to do further trips with either a local guide or by themselves. Why >> couples? Well ,often one spouse is a more serious birder. But if he (and >> it’s generally a male) sees their spouse, a less serious lister, for >> example, is not enjoying themselves, then often they won’t use that firm >> again. >> >> Bo compared the issue to pink stilettos and boots. Not all can wear the >> former or the latter! There needs to be a range of guides and experiences. >> >> Denise >> >> >> On 25/10/13 10:26 AM, “Tony Russell” <pratincole08@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Interesting that you have raised this Denise. I have been out with some >>> guides , well known ones too, who seem to have no concern about or >>> understanding of their clients limitations. Some of them race around at a >>> pace difficult for others to keep up with and if the guide notices at all >>> can become impatient and often instruct people to “keep up”, not realising >>> that this can be impossible for them. >>> Others can command elderly people to “get down on the ground” ( to look >>> under bushes), as though they were teenagers, and not acknowledging that >>> this can also often be an impossible requirement, and that getting up again >>> is usually a worse ordeal than getting down. I can recall two different >>> guides who did this to people on trips I’ve been on. It puts one off from >>> ever using those guides again or recommending anyone else to. Some guides >>> unrealistically expect clients to be as physically active as they are. Some >>> people may dismiss these problems as unimportant but a responsible guide >>> should develop ways of showing consideration for their older clients and >>> maybe generating some return business. >>> >>> Tony, the aging crock. >>> >>> —–Original Message—– >>> From: birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au >>> [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Denise >>> Goodfellow >>> Sent: Friday, 25 October 2013 10:19 AM >>> To: Birding Aus >>> Cc: mark.lepla@hotmail.com; Peter Wood; Ronda Green BSc(Hons); Robyn Stark; >>> fionamccaul@live.com.au; Maree Kerr; Kev >>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Hot weather and birders >>> >>> Recently the issue of tourism and hot weather was raised on Radio National. >>> >>> Quite often I’ve been in the field with other guides who’ve either taken >>> people out in very hot, humid weather or who said they would have no >>> problems doing so. One was a bus driver (who’d just started guiding as >>> well) who, if he’d had his way, would have taken a group of American >>> university students on a hike around the Kakadu sandstone in such weather. >>> The professor in charge agreed with him and it was only after I (their >>> guide/lecturer) refused to go that he backed down. >>> >>> On another occasion a senior lady showed obvious signs of heat stress after >>> a long hike, but the guide appeared not to notice. >>> >>> This issue is even more urgent now, with more hot days (we’ve probably had a >>> record number of fire ban days this Dry Season). >>> >>> So please, if you’re a visiting birder raise this issue with your guide or >>> operator. >>> >>> Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow >>> PO Box 71, Darwin River, >>> NT 0841 >>> 043 8650 835 >>> >>> PhD candidate, SCU >>> Vice-chair, Wildlife Tourism Australia >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> =============================== >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, >>> send the message: >>> unsubscribe >>> (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) >>> to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au >>> >>> http://birding-aus.org >>> =============================== >>> >> >> >> =============================== >> >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, >> send the message: >> unsubscribe >> (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) >> to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au >> >> http://birding-aus.org >> =============================== > =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au http://birding-aus.org ===============================
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