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Hi John, yes the birds in northern Torres Strait certainly look different. From memory they have a shorter and therefore differently shaped tail, and are much duller in colouration. Even the underlying pattern doesn’t entirely suggest Rainbow Lorikeet. Their call is obviously a typical Lorikeet screech but how similar to Rainbow must be answered by someone with better hearing than me. They are not as vociferous as Rainbow Lorikeets in Australia. I was leading the tour there in September 2002 when attendee Richard Baxter first saw this taxon. I logged the birds as Rainbow Lorikeets considering them to be the local subspecies (as indeed they were at that time) but Richard wasn’t convinced. On 29 April 2003, Richard put a long post on Birding-Aus headed ‘Mystery Boigu Island Lorikeets’. Read that posting in the archives and you will appreciate how they look and behave differently. Mike Carter 30 Canadian Bay Road Mount Eliza VIC 3930 Tel (03) 9787 7136 —– Original Message —– Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 4:35 PM =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
I was only referring to the Lorikeet John, not the entire list, cheers Jeff. Sent: Friday, 23 August 2013 12:43 AM Cc: Birding-Aus The BirdLife list doesn’t follow IOC, unless I’m missing something? E.g. Nullabor and Western Quail-thrush not split, Shy & White-capped Alb are split, Little Bittern dubius not split etc. foconnor@iinet.net.au moluccanus). old the honest. Press, from ssp have Bird 22 Lorikeet, rangebirding-aus-request@vicnet.**net.au%3cbirding-aus-request@vicnet.net .au> < birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au> =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
The BirdLife list doesn’t follow IOC, unless I’m missing something? E.g. Nullabor and Western Quail-thrush not split, Shy & White-capped Alb are split, Little Bittern dubius not split etc. =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Both IOC and the recently released Birdlife Australia checklist list which just follows IOC, list a number of ssp for mainland Australia( moluccanus). This isn’t based on recent research, they are just repeating all of the old positions from as far back to Matthews without giving it any real thought. They should have followed HANZAB, and this is yet another example of why the BARC checklist should eventually cover subspecies to keep the others honest. Cheers Jeff. Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 10:56 PM Cc: ‘Birding-Aus’ Forshaw, J. M. & Cooper, W. T. 1989. Parrots of the world. Blandford Press, London. —————- Nikolas Haass nhaass@yahoo.com Brisbane, QLD _____ < dikkops@gmail.com>; ‘Frank O’Connor’ < foconnor@iinet.net.au> Cc: ‘Birding-Aus’ < birding-aus@vicnet.net.au> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:40 PM Have just read the account in HANZAB and it did not recognize ssp septentrionalis, Frank has made an honest mistake there. HANZAB followed Forshore and Cooper(1989) and only recognized two forms from mainland Australia Rainbow(moluccanus) and Red-collared(rubritorquis). It goes on to suggest that the birds from n. Torres Strait are possibly ssp caeruleiceps, this occurs directly onshore the mainland of NG, a plausible assumption I would suggest. Observations of Lorikeets on the Islands from recent birding trips have confirmed unsurprisingly that they are indeed Coconut Lorikeet. Cheers Jeff Davies —–Original Message—– [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Jeff Davies Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 10:14 PM Cc: ‘Birding-Aus’ Boigu and Saibai are geographically SC New Guinea, and birds seen there have been identified as Coconut Lorikeets, where’s the muddle. —–Original Message—– [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Tony Russell Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 4:34 PM Cc: ‘Birding-Aus’ This is a muddle !! Would someone please make a clear definitive statement about this(these) species and subs. Thank you. Or is it that nobody really knows ? Tony. —–Original Message—– [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Kevin and Lizzie Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 2:25 PM Cc: Birding-Aus Frank The master spreadsheet http://www.worldbirdnames.org/master_ioc_list_v3.4.xls at the IOC World Bird Names website has a full breakdown of the species and subspecies in this taxonomy with a brief description of range. HBW has 20 subspecies of Rainbow Lorikeet, while the IOC appears to have 22 subspecies across 7 species. The only subspecies on the IOC spreadsheet with a reference to Cape York is a subspecies of the split Rainbow Lorikeet, T. m. sepentrionalis. The range of T. h. caeruleiceps is described as sc New Guinea, and no races of Coconut Lorikeet are described as having a range in Australia. On 22 August 2013 13:39, Frank O’Connor < foconnor@iinet.net.au> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Forshaw, J. M. & Cooper, W. T. 1989. Parrots of the world. Blandford Press, London. —————- Nikolas Haass nhaass@yahoo.com Brisbane, QLD ________________________________ From: Jeff Davies < jeff@jeffdavies.com.au> Cc: ‘Birding-Aus’ < birding-aus@vicnet.net.au> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:40 PM Have just read the account in HANZAB and it did not recognize ssp septentrionalis, Frank has made an honest mistake there. HANZAB followed Forshore and Cooper(1989) and only recognized two forms from mainland Australia Rainbow(moluccanus) and Red-collared(rubritorquis). It goes on to suggest that the birds from n. Torres Strait are possibly ssp caeruleiceps, this occurs directly onshore the mainland of NG, a plausible assumption I would suggest. Observations of Lorikeets on the Islands from recent birding trips have confirmed unsurprisingly that they are indeed Coconut Lorikeet. Cheers Jeff Davies —–Original Message—– [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Jeff Davies Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 10:14 PM Cc: ‘Birding-Aus’ Boigu and Saibai are geographically SC New Guinea, and birds seen there have been identified as Coconut Lorikeets, where’s the muddle. —–Original Message—– [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Tony Russell Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 4:34 PM Cc: ‘Birding-Aus’ This is a muddle !! Would someone please make a clear definitive statement about this(these) species and subs. Thank you. Or is it that nobody really knows ? Tony. —–Original Message—– [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Kevin and Lizzie Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 2:25 PM Cc: Birding-Aus Frank The master spreadsheet http://www.worldbirdnames.org/master_ioc_list_v3.4.xls at the IOC World Bird Names website has a full breakdown of the species and subspecies in this taxonomy with a brief description of range. HBW has 20 subspecies of Rainbow Lorikeet, while the IOC appears to have 22 subspecies across 7 species. The only subspecies on the IOC spreadsheet with a reference to Cape York is a subspecies of the split Rainbow Lorikeet, T. m. sepentrionalis. The range of T. h. caeruleiceps is described as sc New Guinea, and no races of Coconut Lorikeet are described as having a range in Australia. On 22 August 2013 13:39, Frank O’Connor < foconnor@iinet.net.au> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Have just read the account in HANZAB and it did not recognize ssp septentrionalis, Frank has made an honest mistake there. HANZAB followed Forshore and Cooper(1989) and only recognized two forms from mainland Australia Rainbow(moluccanus) and Red-collared(rubritorquis). It goes on to suggest that the birds from n. Torres Strait are possibly ssp caeruleiceps, this occurs directly onshore the mainland of NG, a plausible assumption I would suggest. Observations of Lorikeets on the Islands from recent birding trips have confirmed unsurprisingly that they are indeed Coconut Lorikeet. Cheers Jeff Davies —–Original Message—– [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Jeff Davies Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 10:14 PM Cc: ‘Birding-Aus’ Boigu and Saibai are geographically SC New Guinea, and birds seen there have been identified as Coconut Lorikeets, where’s the muddle. —–Original Message—– [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Tony Russell Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 4:34 PM Cc: ‘Birding-Aus’ This is a muddle !! Would someone please make a clear definitive statement about this(these) species and subs. Thank you. Or is it that nobody really knows ? Tony. —–Original Message—– [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Kevin and Lizzie Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 2:25 PM Cc: Birding-Aus Frank The master spreadsheet http://www.worldbirdnames.org/master_ioc_list_v3.4.xls at the IOC World Bird Names website has a full breakdown of the species and subspecies in this taxonomy with a brief description of range. HBW has 20 subspecies of Rainbow Lorikeet, while the IOC appears to have 22 subspecies across 7 species. The only subspecies on the IOC spreadsheet with a reference to Cape York is a subspecies of the split Rainbow Lorikeet, T. m. sepentrionalis. The range of T. h. caeruleiceps is described as sc New Guinea, and no races of Coconut Lorikeet are described as having a range in Australia. On 22 August 2013 13:39, Frank O’Connor < foconnor@iinet.net.au> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Boigu and Saibai are geographically SC New Guinea, and birds seen there have been identified as Coconut Lorikeets, where’s the muddle. —–Original Message—– [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Tony Russell Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 4:34 PM Cc: ‘Birding-Aus’ This is a muddle !! Would someone please make a clear definitive statement about this(these) species and subs. Thank you. Or is it that nobody really knows ? Tony. —–Original Message—– [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Kevin and Lizzie Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 2:25 PM Cc: Birding-Aus Frank The master spreadsheet http://www.worldbirdnames.org/master_ioc_list_v3.4.xls at the IOC World Bird Names website has a full breakdown of the species and subspecies in this taxonomy with a brief description of range. HBW has 20 subspecies of Rainbow Lorikeet, while the IOC appears to have 22 subspecies across 7 species. The only subspecies on the IOC spreadsheet with a reference to Cape York is a subspecies of the split Rainbow Lorikeet, T. m. sepentrionalis. The range of T. h. caeruleiceps is described as sc New Guinea, and no races of Coconut Lorikeet are described as having a range in Australia. On 22 August 2013 13:39, Frank O’Connor < foconnor@iinet.net.au> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Does it look very different/have different calls? John Leonard On 22 August 2013 16:26, Jeff Davies < jeff@jeffdavies.com.au> wrote: — John Leonard Canberra Australia http://www.jleonard.net I want to be with the 9,999 other things. =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
This is a muddle !! Would someone please make a clear definitive statement about this(these) species and subs. Thank you. Or is it that nobody really knows ? Tony. —–Original Message—– [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Kevin and Lizzie Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 2:25 PM Cc: Birding-Aus Frank The master spreadsheet http://www.worldbirdnames.org/master_ioc_list_v3.4.xls at the IOC World Bird Names website has a full breakdown of the species and subspecies in this taxonomy with a brief description of range. HBW has 20 subspecies of Rainbow Lorikeet, while the IOC appears to have 22 subspecies across 7 species. The only subspecies on the IOC spreadsheet with a reference to Cape York is a subspecies of the split Rainbow Lorikeet, T. m. sepentrionalis. The range of T. h. caeruleiceps is described as sc New Guinea, and no races of Coconut Lorikeet are described as having a range in Australia. On 22 August 2013 13:39, Frank O’Connor < foconnor@iinet.net.au> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
In addition to Mike’s note below, just confirming that the ssp of Coconut Lorikeet on these three Torres Strait Islands is T. h. caeruleiceps. Cheers Jeff. —–Original Message—– [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Mike Carter Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2013 3:57 PM Cc: Birding-Aus The next update of BirdLife Australia Rarities Committee’s (BARC) Australian Checklist is due around the end if the year. That is based on the IOC World Checklist and will include Coconut Lorikeet as an Australian bird as it occurs on Boigu, Saibai and Dauan islands in northern Torres Strait. Mike Carter 30 Canadian Bay Road Mount Eliza VIC 3930 Tel (03) 9787 7136 —– Original Message —– Cc: “Birding-Aus” < birding-aus@vicnet.net.au> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:54 PM =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
The next update of BirdLife Australia Rarities Committee’s (BARC) Australian Checklist is due around the end if the year. That is based on the IOC World Checklist and will include Coconut Lorikeet as an Australian bird as it occurs on Boigu, Saibai and Dauan islands in northern Torres Strait. Mike Carter 30 Canadian Bay Road Mount Eliza VIC 3930 Tel (03) 9787 7136 —– Original Message —– Cc: “Birding-Aus” < birding-aus@vicnet.net.au> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:54 PM =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Frank The master spreadsheet http://www.worldbirdnames.org/master_ioc_list_v3.4.xls at the IOC World Bird Names website has a full breakdown of the species and subspecies in this taxonomy with a brief description of range. HBW has 20 subspecies of Rainbow Lorikeet, while the IOC appears to have 22 subspecies across 7 species. The only subspecies on the IOC spreadsheet with a reference to Cape York is a subspecies of the split Rainbow Lorikeet, T. m. sepentrionalis. The range of T. h. caeruleiceps is described as sc New Guinea, and no races of Coconut Lorikeet are described as having a range in Australia. On 22 August 2013 13:39, Frank O’Connor < foconnor@iinet.net.au> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================