Daniel,
You asked about the occurrence of Chatham Island (Shy) Albatross off Australia. I am aware of a bird seen off Wollongong on July 12, 2002 and another (or maybe the same bird?) seen from the Halicat off Sydney on August 12, 2002. The latter was the only T. cauta eremita that I have seen in about 200 trips off Sydney (and the only one that I am aware of offshore Sydney) so they are definitely not very commonly occurring!
Cheers
Roger McGovern
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8 August 1999, Batemans Bay, (see below from the Birding -Aus Archives) Note not Batmans Bay, not Eden!birding-aus BIRDLINE NSW – update 16.8.99 from [Gladwin, Chris [JJPAU]] [Permanent Link][Original] Highlights in NSW over the last week or so, as reported to Birdline NSW, are as follows:
WANDERING ALBATROSS 14 Maroubra, Sydney 15/8 – unusually high count these days “NORTHERN” ROYAL ALBATROSS 1 off Wollongong 8/8 “SOUTHERN” ROYAL ALBATROSS 1 off Wollongong 8/8 “CHATHAM ISLAND” SHY ALBATROSS 1 off Batman’s Bay, Eden 8/8 WHITE-HEADED PETREL 57 off Sydney 7/8 – staggering number! SOUTHERN FULMAR 1 Long Reef, Sydney 15/8 – surely the one bird hanging around? And 1 off Bateman’s Bay, Eden 8/8 BLUE PETREL 2 off Bateman’s Bay, Eden 8/8 and 1 Long Reef, Sydney 7/8 SOUTHERN GIANT PETREL 2 “white phase” Long Reef, Sydney 15/8 – are these two birds best of friends as they always seem to be together? COMMON DIVING PETREL 1 Long Reef, Sydney 6/8 WEDGE-TAILED SHEARWATER 1 Maroubra, Sydney 12/8 – first of summer HUTTON’S SHEARWATER 300 Maroubra, Sydney 12/8 – major movement ……….snip…………. Chris Gladwin Sydney, Australia cgladwin@jjpau.jnj.com
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Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 5:33 PM
Thanks Roger,
I can reply as I am still stuck at Melbourne Airport!! I am pretty sure there was also a Chatham Albatross off Wollongong in that mega-year (1999). I wish I had been living in Aus then! Your 2002 records confirm what some of the others thought – that the Gong had scored two eremita over the years. I still think Tas has had a few too, but wouldn’t even know where to start looking for these records. There are some great seabird records on the various marine biology databases, especially from the research vessels leaving Tas for the Antarctic. But I guess many of these have not been submitted to BARC. At the time of the Great Shearwaters earlier this year (I think I forgot to post this), I could remember seeing a record of an earlier sighting of multiple Great Shearwaters off Tas (still in Aus waters) from a survey vessel. Maybe three birds if my memory is correct.
Cheers Dan
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Dan, there have been at least 5 previous records of the “CIA” from Tas, all adults 1) An adult was present in the colony at Albatross Island from Jan 83 (not 82) to 1986 (Bothers & Davis 1985). A photo of this bird is published in Lindsey (1986). 2) A different adult was present in the Albatross Island colony from 1985 until Sept 1994 (Brothers in Reid & James 1997). 3) Tim Reid and I saw an adult CIA near The Mewstone off southern Tasmania in Feb 1995 (Reid & James 1997). Bothers, N.P. & Davis, G. 1985. Bird observations on Albatross Island, 1981 to 1985. Tas Bird Report 14: 3-9. Harper, P.C., & Kinsky, F.C. 1978 Southern Albatrosses and Petrels: An Identification Guide, 2nd Ed, Duval, Cleaveland. Lindsey, T. 1986. The Seabirds of Australia, Angus & Robertson/NPIAW, Sydney. Reid, T. & James, D.J. 1997. The Chatham Island Mollymawk (Diomedea eremita) in Australia. Notornis 44: 125-8. Incidently, the classic Harper & Kinsky 1978 is available at (without the waterproof cover, alas): http://books.google.com.au/books?id=LPkfq0b8YN0C&pg=PP5&lpg=PP5&dq=harper+and+kinsky&source=bl&ots=Xo6eWNwsA_&sig=esJPUzY2DUbvutoYnDL97f6rfko&hl=en&ei=vdRlToymHIKriAfGuKSKCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false David James, Sydney burunglaut07@yahoo.com ==============================
Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 5:33 PM
Thanks Roger,
I can reply as I am still stuck at Melbourne Airport!! I am pretty sure there was also a Chatham Albatross off Wollongong in that mega-year (1999). I wish I had been living in Aus then! Your 2002 records confirm what some of the others thought – that the Gong had scored two eremita over the years. I still think Tas has had a few too, but wouldn’t even know where to start looking for these records. There are some great seabird records on the various marine biology databases, especially from the research vessels leaving Tas for the Antarctic. But I guess many of these have not been submitted to BARC. At the time of the Great Shearwaters earlier this year (I think I forgot to post this), I could remember seeing a record of an earlier sighting of multiple Great Shearwaters off Tas (still in Aus waters) from a survey vessel. Maybe three birds if my memory is correct.
Cheers Dan
Mike Carter
4) Nigel Brothers observed an adult at sea off Pedra Branca in March 1995 (Brothers in Reid & James 1997). 5) Tim Reid saw an adult from a longline tuna boat on the continental slope south of Tas in June 1996 (Reid & James 1997). Whether the birds at sea and ashore were the same or different is difficult to be sure of. I recall there was a record soon after we published, from NSW if I’m not wrong, probably in the 1999 bumper year. I think it was Eden, not the Gong, but my memory could well be wrong here. when we published in 1997 we did not find any mainland records. We obviously overlooked the Cape Schanck and Eden records mentioned by Mike Carter. I’m not sure why, because in the early 1980s Tim and I both knew of the Cape Schanck record. Whoops. Anyway, Mike, I tentatively suggest it was not the 1960s when you saw one off Cape Schanck because Peter and Geoff were probably still in primary school then. Was it after the publication of Harper & Kinsky (1st ed 1974, 2nd ed. 1978) perhaps? As noted above the Albatross Island birds first appeared much later, in 1983 ===============================
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Good point Roger, In fact, this situation has come to bear with records of Yellow Wagtail. tchutchenensis (formerly similima) is common taivana is rare and its status is obscure, and macronyx is exceptionally rare. These three are placed in two separate species by C&B 2008 and 3 species by some accounts. A similar situation prevailed for White and Black-backed Wagtails when they were split.
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Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011 8:56 AM
Thanks guys for reminding me of the fabulous year of 1999 when I was over working in Perth and missed about five lifers!
Daniel raises an interesting point by mentioning BARC as it has long been a bugbear of mine that BARC and NSW ORAC do not have sub-species on their review lists. If a sub-species such as Chatham Island
Albatross were one day raised to full species status, then previous records of sightings will not have been through the same rigorous review that other rare species routinely do. It seems to me that there is a case to be made for reviewing rare sub-species and it is something that I will raise at the next NSW ORAC meeting.
Cheers
Roger McGovern
Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 5:34 PM
Thanks Roger,
I can reply as I am still stuck at Melbourne Airport!! I am pretty sure there was also a Chatham Albatross off Wollongong in that mega-year (1999). I wish I had been living in Aus then! Your 2002 records confirm what some of the others thought – that the Gong had scored two eremita over the years. I still think Tas has had a few too, but wouldn’t even know where to start looking for these records. There are some great seabird records on the various marine biology databases, especially from the research vessels leaving Tas for the Antarctic. But I guess many of these have not been submitted to BARC. At the time of the Great Shearwaters earlier this year (I think I forgot to post this), I could remember seeing a record of an earlier sighting of multiple Great Shearwaters off Tas (still in Aus waters) from a survey vessel. Maybe three birds if my memory is correct.
Cheers Dan
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Clements too
The IOC list does have the Chatham Albatross as a full species.
John Leonard
Thanks guys for reminding me of the fabulous year of 1999 when I was over working in Perth and missed about five lifers!
Daniel raises an interesting point by mentioning BARC as it has long been a bugbear of mine that BARC and NSW ORAC do not have sub-species on their review lists. If a sub-species such as Chatham Island
Albatross were one day raised to full species status, then previous records of sightings will not have been through the same rigorous review that other rare species routinely do. It seems to me that there is a case to be made for reviewing rare sub-species and it is something that I will raise at the next NSW ORAC meeting.
Cheers
Roger McGovern
Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 5:34 PM
Thanks Roger,
I can reply as I am still stuck at Melbourne Airport!! I am pretty sure there was also a Chatham Albatross off Wollongong in that mega-year (1999). I wish I had been living in Aus then! Your 2002 records confirm what some of the others thought – that the Gong had scored two eremita over the years. I still think Tas has had a few too, but wouldn’t even know where to start looking for these records. There are some great seabird records on the various marine biology databases, especially from the research vessels leaving Tas for the Antarctic. But I guess many of these have not been submitted to BARC. At the time of the Great Shearwaters earlier this year (I think I forgot to post this), I could remember seeing a record of an earlier sighting of multiple Great Shearwaters off Tas (still in Aus waters) from a survey vessel. Maybe three birds if my memory is correct.
Cheers Dan
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Thanks Roger,
I can reply as I am still stuck at Melbourne Airport!! I am pretty sure there was also a Chatham Albatross off Wollongong in that mega-year (1999). I wish I had been living in Aus then! Your 2002 records confirm what some of the others thought – that the Gong had scored two eremita over the years. I still think Tas has had a few too, but wouldn’t even know where to start looking for these records. There are some great seabird records on the various marine biology databases, especially from the research vessels leaving Tas for the Antarctic. But I guess many of these have not been submitted to BARC. At the time of the Great Shearwaters earlier this year (I think I forgot to post this), I could remember seeing a record of an earlier sighting of multiple Great Shearwaters off Tas (still in Aus waters) from a survey vessel. Maybe three birds if my memory is correct.
Cheers Dan
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