December 2020 – Birding-Aus

Bird Magazines

I am fairly sure I know the answer to this question but I will ask anyway. Does anyone want or know some else who wants a multiple decade collection of Birdlife/Wingspan and New Zealand Birds.

It is time to clean the shelves and I hardly read the new editions let alone those olds ones gathering dust. Ciao

Chris Lloyd

PS Happy to hear from those who have also tried to offload these things.

Wood Duck behaviour

Seasons Greetings folks. I hope you are enjoying the year end.

We have a pair of Wood Ducks that periodically visit our back yard swimming pool. In addition to the expected the physical reminders of their visits, we also get the occasional egg left on the side of the pool.

My understanding is that Wood Ducks normally nest in tree hollows. Why would they lay an egg in the hostile environment of the concrete surrounds of a swimming pool?

Regards, Laurie

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whatever your hobby, this is a Hobby

Hi Chris,

your are excused, raptors can be difficult to separate. This one is a Hobby. I believe it is a juvenile judging by the underbody, which is missing the adult’s ‘arrowheads’. The head pattern is striking, no other Australian bird of prey has it. Nevertheless the Hobby may be confused with a Peregrine, but the latter has a large dark hood, and is not rufous on the underparts. Brown Falcon seems to me further away. Their underparts are not as strongly marked, flight feathers and tail are much lighter, and the Brown Falcon has brown ‘thighs’, or brown ’shorts’ perhaps, contrasting with the beige surrounding feathers, and legs!

Don’t despair, and don’t give up.

Merry Christmas

Jonny

Dr. Jonny Schoenjahn
Perth, Western Australia

http://www.jonnybird-australia.com/greyfalcon.htm

On 23 Dec 2020, at 1:26 pm, Chris Shaw <seashore@internode.on.net> wrote:

My mystery bird for Christmas is this raptor I photographed above the Stuart Highway on my way to Newhaven back in 2011. I have made a wild bet (usually wrong) but I would appreciate your views and reasons so I can label it correctly… just in case it is something else…

https://www.ararelitus.com/birds-1

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Chris Shaw
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Christmas Raptor Wrap

https://www.ararelitus.com/birds-1

Regards

Chris Shaw
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Gluepot Notes

I jotted down a few notes about the birds I saw at Birdlife Australia’s Gluepot Reserve while doing a little bit of volunteering over a week during early December. Lot’s of Woodswallow’s continue around the Mallee and a few of their high flying aerial foraging confederates that are associated with weather fronts made an appearance for a couple of days.

Gluepot would be a great place to be during the next couple of days for the Jupiter and Saturn Conjunction but hopefully We’ll be able to see it from here on the coast in Adelaide.

www.ararelitus.com/birds-1

Chris Shaw
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Birding-Aus Digest, Vol 86, Issue 8

“Cat among the pigeons “.

Very appropriate re Oz bird vulnerability Phil.

Hope that going to Columbia doesn’t put you into the endangered category. ?

Best. Michael

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> How many Critically Endangered CR?
> How Many Near Threatened NT ?
> How Many Vulnerable VU?
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> Phil: disregard my last message: see
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> Martin Butterfield
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>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 12:45, Phil Gregory < oreornis@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need some
>> data on the total of species in each conservation category, which seems to
>> be remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird Network
>> sites. All I need know is how many in each category
>> How many Critically Endangered CR?
>> How Many Near Threatened NT ?
>> How Many Vulnerable VU?
>>
>> If there is a link to such information I?d love to access it. Can anyone
>> help please? Thanks
>>
>> Phil Gregory
>> oreornis@gmail.com
>> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
>> PO Box 597
>> Malanda
>> QLD 4885
>> Australia
>>
>> Ph: +61 7 4096 8063
>>
>> Email: info@s2travel.com.au
>> Website1: www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel
>> Website 2: www.cassowarytours.com.au
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> I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need some data on the total of species in each conservation category, which seems to be remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird Network sites. All I need know is how many in each category
>
> How many Critically Endangered CR?
>
> How Many Near Threatened NT ?
>
> How Many Vulnerable VU?
>
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> If there is a link to such information I?d love to access it. Can anyone help please? Thanks
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> Phil Gregory
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> oreornis@gmail.com oreornis@gmail.com>
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> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
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> PO Box 597
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> Email: info@s2travel.com.au> info@s2travel.com.au
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> I think John meant this to come to everyone, not just me. Certainly a
> point worth sharing.
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> Martin Butterfield
> franmart.blogspot.com.au/
> mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
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> From: John Harris < wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 14:49
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Threatened Birds in Australia
> To: Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com>
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>
> Hi Phil et al,
>
> To put the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons, in Victoria the Advisory
> List of Threatened Vertebrate Fauna in Victoria (DSE 2013) doesn’t consider
> species that are considered Near Threatened to be threatened by definition,
> therefore only having 3 categories of threatened status – vulnerable,
> endangered, critically endangered.
>
> Many of the Vic species fall into the NT category.
>
> Cheers
>
> John Harris
> Wildlife and Ecology
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> *Yours in all things* “*GREEN”*
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> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:31, Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> Yes: but they can easily be filtered out if that is what Phil wants.
>>
>> Martin Butterfield
>> franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>> mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Dave Torr < davidtorr@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> That I think includes ssp?
>>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:15, Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Phil: disregard my last message: see
>>>> birdlife.org.au/conservation/science/taxonomy and down load the
>>>> working list which contains the conservation status.
>>>>
>>>> Martin Butterfield
>>>> franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>>>> mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 12:45, Phil Gregory < oreornis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need
>>>>> some data on the total of species in each conservation category, which
>>>>> seems to be remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird
>>>>> Network sites. All I need know is how many in each category
>>>>> How many Critically Endangered CR?
>>>>> How Many Near Threatened NT ?
>>>>> How Many Vulnerable VU?
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is a link to such information I?d love to access it. Can
>>>>> anyone help please? Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil Gregory
>>>>> oreornis@gmail.com
>>>>> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>>>>> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
>>>>> PO Box 597
>>>>> Malanda
>>>>> QLD 4885
>>>>> Australia
>>>>>
>>>>> Ph: +61 7 4096 8063
>>>>>
>>>>> Email: info@s2travel.com.au
>>>>> Website1: www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel
>>>>> Website 2: www.cassowarytours.com.au
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> Hmm, how very convenient, thanks for that, good to see accounting tricks are alive and well in Victoria!
> Phil Gregory
> oreornis@gmail.com oreornis@gmail.com>
> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
> PO Box 597
> Malanda
> QLD 4885
> Australia
>
> Ph: +61 7 4096 8063
>
> Email: info@s2travel.com.au info@s2travel.com.au>
> Website1: www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel
> Website 2: www.cassowarytours.com.au
>
>
>
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>
>
>> On 17 Dec 2020, at 3:16 PM, Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think John meant this to come to everyone, not just me. Certainly a point worth sharing.
>>
>> Martin Butterfield
>> franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>> mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> ———- Forwarded message ———
>> From: John Harris < wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com>>
>> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 14:49
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Threatened Birds in Australia
>> To: Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com martinflab@gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Phil et al,
>>
>> To put the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons, in Victoria the Advisory List of Threatened Vertebrate Fauna in Victoria (DSE 2013) doesn’t consider species that are considered Near Threatened to be threatened by definition, therefore only having 3 categories of threatened status – vulnerable, endangered, critically endangered.
>>
>> Many of the Vic species fall into the NT category.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> John Harris
>> Wildlife and Ecology
>>
>>
>> Yours in all things “GREEN”
>>
>> John Harris
>> 0409090955
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:31, Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com martinflab@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Yes: but they can easily be filtered out if that is what Phil wants.
>>
>> Martin Butterfield
>> franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>> mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Dave Torr < davidtorr@gmail.com davidtorr@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> That I think includes ssp?
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:15, Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com martinflab@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Phil: disregard my last message: see birdlife.org.au/conservation/science/taxonomy and down load the working list which contains the conservation status.
>>
>> Martin Butterfield
>> franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>> mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 12:45, Phil Gregory < oreornis@gmail.com oreornis@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need some data on the total of species in each conservation category, which seems to be remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird Network sites. All I need know is how many in each category
>> How many Critically Endangered CR?
>> How Many Near Threatened NT ?
>> How Many Vulnerable VU?
>>
>> If there is a link to such information I?d love to access it. Can anyone help please? Thanks
>>
>> Phil Gregory
>> oreornis@gmail.com oreornis@gmail.com>
>> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
>> PO Box 597
>> Malanda
>> QLD 4885
>> Australia
>>
>> Ph: +61 7 4096 8063
>>
>> Email: info@s2travel.com.au info@s2travel.com.au>
>> Website1: www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel
>> Website 2: www.cassowarytours.com.au
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> From: Jonny Schoenjahn < jonnybird@bigpond.com>
> To: Birding-Aus < birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] 3 categories of THREATENED
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> Hi all,
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> to my knowledge, which might be outdated, the following three main categories of THREATENED are international standard, i.e. are used in the IUCN Red List, Action Plan for Australian Birds, and others:
> critically endangered
> endangered
> vulnerable
>
> Near threatened appears to me to be what it says, i.e. nearly but not quite threatened. ‘Not quite? may be for different reasons. The species or population may not quite (yet) fulfil the criteria for, e.g., VU, or because of a lack of knowledge about the species of population concerned. Nevertheless, being classified as near threatened helps to put the species or population on the radar of all involved.
>
> So, I don?t see accounting tricks or cats among pigeons in accepting 3 categories of THREATENED, but admit that I missed the earlier parts of the discussion.
>
> Despite this classification system being widely accepted, South Australia chooses to not follow it. This may be illustrated by the Grey Falcon (“here it comes” I hear you say), which is listed nationally as threatened, category vulnerable (since June 2020, EPBC Act 1999), whereas in South Australia it is classified as Rare. Nevertheless I assume that sooner or later SA will follow suit and adopt the classification system.
>
> Merry Christmas to all, and all the best ? lots of it ? for the next year,
> Jonny
>
> Dr. Jonny Schoenjahn
> Perth, Western Australia
> www.jonnybird-australia.com/greyfalcon.htm
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>
>
>
>
>
> Hmm, how very convenient, thanks for that, good to see accounting tricks are alive and well in Victoria!
> Phil Gregory
> oreornis@gmail.com
> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
> PO Box 597
> Malanda
> QLD 4885
> Australia
>
>
>
>
>> On 17 Dec 2020, at 3:16 PM, Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think John meant this to come to everyone, not just me. Certainly a point worth sharing.
>>
>> Martin Butterfield
>> franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>> mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> ———- Forwarded message ———
>> From: John Harris < wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com>
>> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 14:49
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Threatened Birds in Australia
>> To: Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Hi Phil et al,
>>
>> To put the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons, in Victoria the Advisory List of Threatened Vertebrate Fauna in Victoria (DSE 2013) doesn’t consider species that are considered Near Threatened to be threatened by definition, therefore only having 3 categories of threatened status – vulnerable, endangered, critically endangered.
>>
>> Many of the Vic species fall into the NT category.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> John Harris
>> Wildlife and Ecology
>>
>>
>> Yours in all things “GREEN”
>>
>> John Harris
>> 0409090955
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:31, Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes: but they can easily be filtered out if that is what Phil wants.
>>
>> Martin Butterfield
>> franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>> mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Dave Torr < davidtorr@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That I think includes ssp?
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:15, Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Phil: disregard my last message: see birdlife.org.au/conservation/science/taxonomy and down load the working list which contains the conservation status.
>>
>> Martin Butterfield
>> franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>> mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 12:45, Phil Gregory < oreornis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need some data on the total of species in each conservation category, which seems to be remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird Network sites. All I need know is how many in each category
>> How many Critically Endangered CR?
>> How Many Near Threatened NT ?
>> How Many Vulnerable VU?
>>
>> If there is a link to such information I?d love to access it. Can anyone help please? Thanks
>>
>> Phil Gregory
>> oreornis@gmail.com
>> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
>> PO Box 597
>> Malanda
>> QLD 4885
>> Australia
>>
>> Ph: +61 7 4096 8063
>>
>> Email: info@s2travel.com.au
>> Website1: www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel
>> Website 2: www.cassowarytours.com.au
>>
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> To: “‘Jonny Schoenjahn'” < jonnybird@bigpond.com>, “‘Birding-Aus'”
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] 3 categories of THREATENED
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> Commonwealth www.environment.gov.au/biodiversity/threatened/species:
>
>
>
> Threatened fauna and flora may be listed under Section 178 of the
> Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999
> (EPBC Act) in any one of the
> following categories:
>
> * extinct
> * extinct in the wild
> * critically endangered
> * endangered
> * vulnerable
> * conservation dependent
>
>
>
> Victoria
> www.environment.vic.gov.au/conserving-threatened-species/threatened-
> list:
>
>
>
> Threatened List and Processes List
>
> The Flora and Fauna Guarantee Act 1988 (The FFG Act) provides for the
> listing of taxa (genera, species, subspecies and varieties), threatened
> communities of flora and fauna and potentially threatening processes.
>
> There are 3 lists:
>
> * The Excluded List contains native flora and fauna taxa which are not
> to be conserved because they constitute a serious threat to human welfare
> (Note: the only item on this list is “human disease organisms”)
> * The Threatened List contains taxa and communities of native flora
> and fauna which are threatened
> * The Processes List contains potentially threatening processes.
>
> Over 730 species, communities and threats are currently listed under the
> Act.
>
>
>
> Upcoming changes to the FFG Act Threatened list
>
> Currently, Victoria has multiple lists of threatened species – those listed
> under the FFG Act, and non-statutory lists called the
> -species-advisory-lists> Victorian Threatened Species Advisory Lists.
>
> Recent amendments to the FFG Act
> framework-for-conserving-threatened-species> will remove duplication by
> establishing a single comprehensive list of threatened flora and fauna
> species. This will continue to be known as the FFG Act Threatened List. When
> the new comprehensive list comes into effect the Advisory lists will be
> revoked.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ross Macfarlane
>
>
>
> From: Birding-Aus < birding-aus-bounces@birding-aus.org> On Behalf Of Jonny
> Schoenjahn
> Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2020 5:20 PM
> To: Birding-Aus < birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] 3 categories of THREATENED
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> to my knowledge, which might be outdated, the following three main
> categories of THREATENED are international standard, i.e. are used in the
> IUCN Red List, Action Plan for Australian Birds, and others:
>
> * critically endangered
> * endangered
> * vulnerable
>
>
>
> Near threatened appears to me to be what it says, i.e. nearly but not quite
> threatened. ‘Not quite’ may be for different reasons. The species or
> population may not quite (yet) fulfil the criteria for, e.g., VU, or because
> of a lack of knowledge about the species of population concerned.
> Nevertheless, being classified as near threatened helps to put the species
> or population on the radar of all involved.
>
>
>
> So, I don’t see accounting tricks or cats among pigeons in accepting 3
> categories of THREATENED, but admit that I missed the earlier parts of the
> discussion.
>
>
>
> Despite this classification system being widely accepted, South Australia
> chooses to not follow it. This may be illustrated by the Grey Falcon (“here
> it comes” I hear you say), which is listed nationally as threatened,
> category vulnerable (since June 2020, EPBC Act 1999), whereas in South
> Australia it is classified as Rare. Nevertheless I assume that sooner or
> later SA will follow suit and adopt the classification system.
>
>
>
> Merry Christmas to all, and all the best – lots of it – for the next year,
>
> Jonny
>
>
>
> Dr. Jonny Schoenjahn
> Perth, Western Australia
>
> www.jonnybird-australia.com/greyfalcon.htm
>
> ORCID ID: orcid.org/0000-0001-7312-1944
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hmm, how very convenient, thanks for that, good to see accounting tricks are
> alive and well in Victoria!
>
> Phil Gregory
>
> oreornis@gmail.com oreornis@gmail.com>
>
> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>
> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
> PO Box 597
> Malanda
> QLD 4885
> Australia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 17 Dec 2020, at 3:16 PM, Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com
> martinflab@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
>
> I think John meant this to come to everyone, not just me. Certainly a point
> worth sharing.
>
>
>
> Martin Butterfield
>
> franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>
> mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> ———- Forwarded message ———
> From: John Harris < wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com
> wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com> >
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 14:49
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Threatened Birds in Australia
> To: Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com martinflab@gmail.com> >
>
>
>
> Hi Phil et al,
>
>
>
> To put the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons, in Victoria the Advisory List
> of Threatened Vertebrate Fauna in Victoria (DSE 2013) doesn’t consider
> species that are considered Near Threatened to be threatened by definition,
> therefore only having 3 categories of threatened status – vulnerable,
> endangered, critically endangered.
>
>
>
> Many of the Vic species fall into the NT category.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> John Harris
>
> Wildlife and Ecology
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yours in all things “GREEN”
>
>
>
> John Harris
>
> 0409090955
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:31, Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com
> martinflab@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Yes: but they can easily be filtered out if that is what Phil wants.
>
>
>
> Martin Butterfield
>
> franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>
> mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Dave Torr < davidtorr@gmail.com
> davidtorr@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> That I think includes ssp?
>
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:15, Martin Butterfield < martinflab@gmail.com
> martinflab@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> Phil: disregard my last message: see
> birdlife.org.au/conservation/science/taxonomy and down load the
> working list which contains the conservation status.
>
>
>
> Martin Butterfield
>
> franmart.blogspot.com.au/
>
> mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 12:45, Phil Gregory < oreornis@gmail.com
> oreornis@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need some
> data on the total of species in each conservation category, which seems to
> be remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird Network
> sites. All I need know is how many in each category
>
> How many Critically Endangered CR?
>
> How Many Near Threatened NT ?
>
> How Many Vulnerable VU?
>
>
>
> If there is a link to such information I’d love to access it. Can anyone
> help please? Thanks
>
>
>
> Phil Gregory
>
> oreornis@gmail.com oreornis@gmail.com>
>
> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>
> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
> PO Box 597
> Malanda
> QLD 4885
> Australia
>
> Ph: +61 7 4096 8063
>
> Email: info@s2travel.com.au> info@s2travel.com.au
> Website1:
> www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR
> www.birder.travel
>
> Website 2:
> www.cassowarytours.com.au
>
>
>
>
>
>
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3 categories of THREATENED

Hi all,

to my knowledge, which might be outdated, the following three main categories of THREATENED are international standard, i.e. are used in the IUCN Red List, Action Plan for Australian Birds, and others:

critically endangered
endangered
vulnerable

Near threatened appears to me to be what it says, i.e. nearly but not quite threatened. ‘Not quite’ may be for different reasons. The species or population may not quite (yet) fulfil the criteria for, e.g., VU, or because of a lack of knowledge about the species of population concerned. Nevertheless, being classified as near threatened helps to put the species or population on the radar of all involved.

So, I don’t see accounting tricks or cats among pigeons in accepting 3 categories of THREATENED, but admit that I missed the earlier parts of the discussion.

Despite this classification system being widely accepted, South Australia chooses to not follow it. This may be illustrated by the Grey Falcon (“here it comes” I hear you say), which is listed nationally as threatened, category vulnerable (since June 2020, EPBC Act 1999), whereas in South Australia it is classified as Rare. Nevertheless I assume that sooner or later SA will follow suit and adopt the classification system.

Merry Christmas to all, and all the best – lots of it – for the next year,

Jonny

Dr. Jonny Schoenjahn
Perth, Western Australia

http://www.jonnybird-australia.com/greyfalcon.htm

ORCID ID: https://orcid.org/0000-0001-7312-1944

Hmm, how very convenient, thanks for that, good to see accounting tricks are alive and well in Victoria!

Phil Gregory

oreornis@gmail.com

ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator

Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
PO Box 597
Malanda
QLD 4885
Australia

On 17 Dec 2020, at 3:16 PM, Martin Butterfield <martinflab@gmail.com> wrote:

I think John meant this to come to everyone, not just me. Certainly a point worth sharing.

Martin Butterfield

http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/

https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/

———- Forwarded message ———
From: John Harris <wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 14:49
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Threatened Birds in Australia
To: Martin Butterfield <martinflab@gmail.com>

Hi Phil et al,

To put the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons, in Victoria the Advisory List of Threatened Vertebrate Fauna in Victoria (DSE 2013) doesn’t consider species that are considered Near Threatened to be threatened by definition, therefore only having 3 categories of threatened status – vulnerable, endangered, critically endangered.

Many of the Vic species fall into the NT category.

Cheers

John Harris

Wildlife and Ecology

Yours in all things “GREEN”

John Harris

0409090955

On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:31, Martin Butterfield <martinflab@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes: but they can easily be filtered out if that is what Phil wants.

Martin Butterfield

http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/

https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/

On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Dave Torr <davidtorr@gmail.com> wrote:

That I think includes ssp?

On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 13:15, Martin Butterfield <martinflab@gmail.com> wrote:

Phil: disregard my last message: see https://birdlife.org.au/conservation/science/taxonomy and down load the working list which contains the conservation status.

Martin Butterfield

http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/

https://mallacootaweatherwildlife.blogspot.com/

On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 12:45, Phil Gregory <oreornis@gmail.com> wrote:

I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need some data on the total of species in each conservation category, which seems to be remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird Network sites. All I need know is how many in each category

How many Critically Endangered CR?

How Many Near Threatened NT ?

How Many Vulnerable VU?

If there is a link to such information I’d love to access it. Can anyone help please? Thanks

Phil Gregory

oreornis@gmail.com

ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator

Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
PO Box 597
Malanda
QLD 4885
Australia

Ph: +61 7 4096 8063

Email: info@s2travel.com.au
Website1: http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel

Website 2: http://www.cassowarytours.com.au

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Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
PO Box 597
Malanda
QLD 4885
Australia

Ph: +61 7 4096 8063

Email: info@s2travel.com.au
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Threatened Birds in Australia

I am preparing a talk for the Colombian Bird Fair and urgently need some data on the total of species in each conservation category, which seems to be remarkably opaque on the BirdLife sites and Threatened Bird Network sites. All I need know is how many in each category

How many Critically Endangered CR?

How Many Near Threatened NT ?

How Many Vulnerable VU?

If there is a link to such information I’d love to access it. Can anyone help please? Thanks

Phil Gregory

oreornis@gmail.com

ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator

Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary Tours
PO Box 597
Malanda
QLD 4885
Australia

Ph: +61 7 4096 8063

Email: info@s2travel.com.au
Website1: http://www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel

Website 2: http://www.cassowarytours.com.au