Precisely who actually decided on the name “Cryptic” on our behalf ? (name or names please)
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> From: “Geoffrey Dabb” < gdabb@iinet.net.au>
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> I expect this will be considered by the BLA English Names Committee. A suitable local name or a suggestion published by the proposer might be eligible. Uniformity with global lists is another consideration but not necessarily a strong one where there is only a recent invention. Where a species occurs entirely within Australia, I would expect global lists, over time, to accept the English name used in Australia. There are so many different views on names that calling for suggestions is not usually a rewarding experience. However if you have reasons in support of a particular name for this one you can send them to me, if you like.
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> Hmm, unlikely as generally these minor variants are not recognised. Be interesting to see which one wins out, Cryptic or Imitatress ( word I have never heard before and feminine gender like the scientific name). Maybe we can get to resurrect actress if this trend kicks off?
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> On 23 Jan 2020, at 10:23 AM, Andrew Bell < andrew@bells.id.au
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> Did anyone ask the traditional owners of the country if it already has a name that is still known We might have ended up with better one.
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> On 23 Jan 2020, at 07:57, Phil Gregory < oreornis@gmail.com
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> ?Following a great paper by Lloyd Nielsen last year in AFO, IOC has accepted the split of what is now called Cryptic Honeyeater from Graceful Honeyeater, which occurs further up Cape York from N of Cooktown on and into S. New Guinea. Thus we have a new FNQ endemic, the split also adopted by BirdLife but with the ludicrous name of Imitatress Honeyeater (derived from the scientific name of imitatrix). There was considerable debate on IOC about what to call it, with the placeholder of Quiet Honeyeater initially, which no-one liked, and eventually Cryptic seemed like a good solution.
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> So Graceful Honeyeater from Cooktown south is now this species, as flagged in the Field Guide to Birds of North Queensland by Jun Matsui and I (New Holland 2019)
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> Well, it’s gone into my list as CRYPTIC which will do for the noo.
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>> On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 at 10:44, Geoffrey Dabb < gdabb@iinet.net.au> wrote:
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>> I expect this will be considered by the BLA English Names Committee. A
>> suitable local name or a suggestion published by the proposer might be
>> eligible. Uniformity with global lists is another consideration but not
>> necessarily a strong one where there is only a recent invention. Where a
>> species occurs entirely within Australia, I would expect global lists, over
>> time, to accept the English name used in Australia. There are so many
>> different views on names that calling for suggestions is not usually a
>> rewarding experience. However if you have reasons in support of a
>> particular name for this one you can send them to me, if you like.
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>> Geoffrey
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>> *From:* Birding-Aus < birding-aus-bounces@birding-aus.org> *On Behalf Of *Phil
>> Gregory
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 23 January 2020 10:54 PM
>> *To:* Andrew Bell < andrew@bells.id.au>
>> *Cc:* birding-aus@birding-aus.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Birding-Aus] Cryptic Honeyeater
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>> Hmm, unlikely as generally these minor variants are not recognised. Be
>> interesting to see which one wins out, Cryptic or Imitatress ( word I have
>> never heard before and feminine gender like the scientific name). Maybe we
>> can get to resurrect actress if this trend kicks off?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Phil Gregory
>>
>> oreornis@gmail.com
>>
>> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>>
>> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary House / Cassowary Tours
>> PO Box 387
>> Kuranda
>> QLD 4881
>> Australia
>>
>> Ph: +61 7 40 937 318
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>> Email: info@s2travel.com.au
>> Website1: www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel
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>> On 23 Jan 2020, at 10:23 AM, Andrew Bell < andrew@bells.id.au> wrote:
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>> Did anyone ask the traditional owners of the country if it already has a
>> name that is still known We might have ended up with better one.
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>>
>> Cheers
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>> Andrew Bell
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>>
>> On 23 Jan 2020, at 07:57, Phil Gregory < oreornis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Following a great paper by Lloyd Nielsen last year in AFO, IOC has
>> accepted the split of what is now called Cryptic Honeyeater from Graceful
>> Honeyeater, which occurs further up Cape York from N of Cooktown on and
>> into S. New Guinea. Thus we have a new FNQ endemic, the split also adopted
>> by BirdLife but with the ludicrous name of Imitatress Honeyeater (derived
>> from the scientific name of imitatrix). There was considerable debate on
>> IOC about what to call it, with the placeholder of Quiet Honeyeater
>> initially, which no-one liked, and eventually Cryptic seemed like a good
>> solution.
>>
>> So Graceful Honeyeater from Cooktown south is now this species, as flagged
>> in the *Field Guide to Birds of North Queensland *by Jun Matsui and I
>> (New Holland 2019)
>>
>>
>>
>> Phil Gregory
>>
>> oreornis@gmail.com
>>
>> ornithological writer/tour leader/tour facilitator
>>
>> Field Guides / Sicklebill Safaris / Cassowary House / Cassowary Tours
>> PO Box 387
>> Kuranda
>> QLD 4881
>> Australia
>>
>> Ph: +61 7 40 937 318
>>
>> Email: info@s2travel.com.au
>> Website1: www.sicklebillsafaris.com OR www.birder.travel
>>
>> Website 2: www.cassowary-house.com.au
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>> Website 3: www.cassowarytours.com.au
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> Over the last 12 days a single Regent Honeyeater has been observed by many
> watchers on the fringes of Canberra’s ‘inner north’. As one commented to
> me ‘ it has brought a lot of joy to birdos during this terrible time of fire
> and drought and now hail storm’. The weight of expert opinion is that it is
> a female. While the ‘bare patch’ might be described as small it has a very
> thick crop of what I would call ‘tubercles’ (cf HANZAB ‘nodules’ and Gould
> ‘warty excrescences’). These appear, at the margin, to be growing up
> through the bristly feather growth – hence very little visible true ‘bare
> skin’. There are more and smaller tubercles visible on the right side
> (about 50) than the left (about 40). (I remember an Australian Nobel
> prize-winner saying ‘All science is counting’. In view of my information
> offered here you might be inclined to add ‘but not all counting is science’.
> Perhaps not.) Photos in the BLA Gallery show the many different kinds of
> ‘bare patch’ you might find in this species. This one appears quite close
> to the specimens shown in the Gould lithograph. (Below – snip from original
> available on NLA website).
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