Hmmm. Here is a novel view. Let’s trust the scientists and BH who are working hard to protect the NIght Parrot. I’m sure they will call for help from the citizen science community within agreed monitoring protocols when it is needed. Until then you may be doing more harm than good.
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> 1. 18 x Brush Turkeys in Pennat Hills (John Reidy)
> 2. night parrot on brighton downs (Greg Roberts)
> 3. Re Night Parrot and Bilby- Australian Wildlife Conservancy
> (Ian And Carla Jackett)
> 4. Re: night parrot on brighton downs (Fiona Anderson)
> 5. Fwd: night parrot on brighton downs (Fiona Anderson)
> 6. Re: night parrot on brighton downs (Greg Roberts)
> 7. Re: Fwd: night parrot on brighton downs (Tony Russell)
> 8. Re: Fwd: night parrot on brighton downs (Peter Shute)
> 9. Re: night parrot on brighton downs (Ben Lawson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 09:40:31 +1000
> From: John Reidy < reidyjg@bigpond.net.au>
> To: “birding-aus@birding-aus.org” < birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] 18 x Brush Turkeys in Pennat Hills
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> Hi all.
>
> My cousin reported 18 birds in one flock walking down the street in
> Clement Close, a cu-de-sac in Pennant Hills, Sydney on the 10th. We all
> know they are getting more common (have had the odd one at my place too)
> but this is an all time record for them. His previous record was 13 in
> one flock.
>
> While its nice to have them around, I don’t want one building a nest in
> my backyard thanks.
>
> Happy birding.
>
> —
> John Reidy
> 02 9871 4836
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 10:09:48 +1000
> From: “Greg Roberts” < ninderry@westnet.com.au>
> To: “birding-aus” < birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] night parrot on brighton downs
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> ?I reveal that the cattle property Brighton Downs is where John
> Young discovered a Night Parrot population in 2103. However, the
> property is very large and I have not published specific site details
> for what is now known as the Pullen Pullen Reserve.
>
> Analysis of the last five records of this species shows the parrot
> occurring over a 300km arc – from Boulia in the west to the
> Winton-Jundah Road in the east – ?in Queensland’s channel country.
> The Queensland Government’s threatened species unit has decided that
> the parrot’s call recordings will not be distributed to allow others
> to search for this enigmatic bird. These are same people who
> suppressed Robert Cupitt’s Night Parrot find in the nearby Diamantina
> National Park in 2006.
>
> It’s time for a little less secrecy and for recordings to be
> distributed so that others can search for populations. It is a mistake
> for all the Night Parrot eggs to be left in one basket. Those wishing
> to search for this species could do worse than to look along the
> Diamantina Road and the Winton-Jundah Road. Please note there is no
> public access to Pullen Pullen or Brighton Downs.
>
> Other news includes the appointment of John Young by the Australian
> Wildlife Conservancy, which is in dispute with Bush Heritage
> Australia, the owners of Pullen Pullen, over plans by AWC to build a
> predator-proof fence in Diamantina National Park.
>
> More here:
>
> sunshinecoastbirds.blogspot.com.au/2016/05/night-parrot-news.html
>
> Greg
> Robertsninderry@westnet.com.auhttp://sunshinecoastbirds.blogspot.com/
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 11:54:23 +1000
> From: Ian And Carla Jackett < bellawongarah@bigpond.com>
> To: “birding-aus@birding-aus.org ” < birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Re Night Parrot and Bilby- Australian Wildlife
> Conservancy
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> Although it wasn’t hard to work out where the NP site was, I hope people will respect the area and the birds.
>
> Carla Jackett
>
> www.australianwildlife.org/field-updates/2016/historic-investment-plan-for-protect-bilbies-night-parrots-in-qld-national-parks.aspx
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 06:08:03 +0000
> From: Fiona Anderson < fea2003@hotmail.com>
> To: Greg Roberts < ninderry@westnet.com.au>, Susie Lycett
> < susie@lymits.com>, klaus < info@kirrama.com.au>
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] night parrot on brighton downs
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> Sorry Greg. I disagree. Let the location be kept as secret as much as possible . At this stage we cannot have birders stomping all over the place looking, flushing,calling, etc to find the bird. At least a minority of these people cannot be trusted as has been shown so many times. There is also a side problem of piracy. How much would night parrots eggs be worth on the overseas market and if they are like similar species they would be easy to rear and sell . Let us leave it to the experts and I for one feel that John Young and the AWC can be trusted. I donate quite a lot of money to the AWC as I know they are doing a great job with endangered species. Cheers, Fiona
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On 14 May 2016, at 3:33 PM, Greg Roberts < ninderry@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> here:
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> Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 07:04:25 +0000
> From: Fiona Anderson < fea2003@hotmail.com>
> To: “birding-aus@birding-aus.org” < birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Fwd: night parrot on brighton downs
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> Sent from my iPad
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: Fiona Anderson < fea2003@hotmail.com
> Date: 14 May 2016 at 4:08:03 PM AEST
> To: Greg Roberts < ninderry@westnet.com.au
> Cc: birding-aus < birding-aus@birding-aus.org
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] night parrot on brighton downs
>
>
> Sorry Greg. I disagree. Let the location be kept as secret as much as possible . At this stage we cannot have birders stomping all over the place looking, flushing,calling, etc to find the bird. At least a minority of these people cannot be trusted as has been shown so many times. There is also a side problem of piracy. How much would night parrots eggs be worth on the overseas market and if they are like similar species they would be easy to rear and sell . Let us leave it to the experts and I for one feel that John Young and the AWC can be trusted. I donate quite a lot of money to the AWC as I know they are doing a great job with endangered species. Cheers, Fiona
> Sent from my iPad
> .
> On 14 May 2016, at 3:33 PM, Greg Roberts < ninderry@westnet.com.au
>
> here:
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 17:03:19 +1000
> From: “Greg Roberts” < ninderry@westnet.com.au>
> To: “Fiona Anderson” < fea2003@hotmail.com>, “Greg Roberts”
> < ninderry@westnet.com.au>, “Susie Lycett” < susie@lymits.com>, “klaus”
> < info@kirrama.com.au>
> Cc: “birding-aus” < birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] night parrot on brighton downs
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> Nobody has suggested that the site be revealed. Nothing I have
> published gives specific site details for the Pullen Pullen
> Reserve.Brighton Downs is almost as big as Diamantina National
> Park.However, revealing a little more site information than has been
> made available to date is justified by the need to find new
> populations of parrots. It is folly to put all the night parrot eggs
> (so to speak) in the Bush Heritage Australia (not AWC as you say
> Fiona) basket.And the call should be made available.??
> Greg
> Robertsninderry@westnet.com.auhttp://sunshinecoastbirds.blogspot.com/
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Fiona Anderson”
> To:”Greg Roberts” , “Susie Lycett” , “klaus”
> Cc:”birding-aus”
> Sent:Sat, 14 May 2016 06:08:03 +0000
> Subject:Re: [Birding-Aus] night parrot on brighton downs
>
> Sorry Greg. I disagree. Let the location be kept as secret as much as
> possible . At this stage we cannot have birders stomping all over the
> place looking, flushing,calling, etc to find the bird. At least a
> minority of these people cannot be trusted as has been shown so many
> times. There is also a side problem of piracy. How much would night
> parrots eggs be worth on the overseas market and if they are like
> similar species they would be easy to rear and sell . Let us leave it
> to the experts and I for one feel that John Young and the AWC can be
> trusted. I donate quite a lot of money to the AWC as I know they are
> doing a great job with endangered species. Cheers, Fiona
> Sent from my iPad
> .
>> On 14 May 2016, at 3:33 PM, Greg Roberts wrote:
>>
>> here:
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 17:38:46 +0930
> From: “Tony Russell” < pratincole08@gmail.com>
> To: “‘Fiona Anderson'” < fea2003@hotmail.com>,
> < birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Fwd: night parrot on brighton downs
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> Much as I would give my left leg to see a night parrot I have to agree very
> strongly with Fiona. Keep it secret.
>
> Tony.
>
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> From: Fiona Anderson < fea2003@hotmail.com
> Date: 14 May 2016 at 4:08:03 PM AEST
> To: Greg Roberts < ninderry@westnet.com.au
> Susie Lycett < susie@lymits.com
> < info@kirrama.com.au
> Cc: birding-aus
> < birding-aus@birding-aus.org
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] night parrot on brighton downs
>
>
> Sorry Greg. I disagree. Let the location be kept as secret as much as
> possible . At this stage we cannot have birders stomping all over the place
> looking, flushing,calling, etc to find the bird. At least a minority of
> these people cannot be trusted as has been shown so many times. There is
> also a side problem of piracy. How much would night parrots eggs be worth
> on the overseas market and if they are like similar species they would be
> easy to rear and sell . Let us leave it to the experts and I for one feel
> that John Young and the AWC can be trusted. I donate quite a lot of money
> to the AWC as I know they are doing a great job with endangered species.
> Cheers, Fiona
> Sent from my iPad
> .
> On 14 May 2016, at 3:33 PM, Greg Roberts
> < ninderry@westnet.com.au
>
> here:
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> Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 20:23:30 +1000
> From: Peter Shute < pshute@nuw.org.au>
> To: Tony Russell < pratincole08@gmail.com>
> Cc: “birding-aus@birding-aus.org” < birding-aus@birding-aus.org>
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> What about releasing the call? So people can at least tell if they hear one somewhere else.
>
> Peter Shute
>
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On 14 May 2016, at 7:21 PM, Tony Russell < pratincole08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Much as I would give my left leg to see a night parrot I have to agree very
>> strongly with Fiona. Keep it secret.
>>
>> Tony.
>>
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>> Begin forwarded message:
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>> From: Fiona Anderson < fea2003@hotmail.com
>> Date: 14 May 2016 at 4:08:03 PM AEST
>> To: Greg Roberts < ninderry@westnet.com.au
>> Susie Lycett < susie@lymits.com
>> < info@kirrama.com.au
>> Cc: birding-aus
>> < birding-aus@birding-aus.org
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] night parrot on brighton downs
>>
>>
>> Sorry Greg. I disagree. Let the location be kept as secret as much as
>> possible . At this stage we cannot have birders stomping all over the place
>> looking, flushing,calling, etc to find the bird. At least a minority of
>> these people cannot be trusted as has been shown so many times. There is
>> also a side problem of piracy. How much would night parrots eggs be worth
>> on the overseas market and if they are like similar species they would be
>> easy to rear and sell . Let us leave it to the experts and I for one feel
>> that John Young and the AWC can be trusted. I donate quite a lot of money
>> to the AWC as I know they are doing a great job with endangered species.
>> Cheers, Fiona
>> Sent from my iPad
>> .
>> On 14 May 2016, at 3:33 PM, Greg Roberts
>> < ninderry@westnet.com.au
>>
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> Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 20:40:01 +1000
> From: Ben Lawson < benlawson.au@gmail.com>
> To: Tony Russell < pratincole08@gmail.com>
> Cc: Fiona Anderson < fea2003@hotmail.com>,
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> Hello all
>
> Prior to today I had significant concerns with the level of information –
> direct or easily implied – that had been revealed about the ecology and
> geography of the night parrot location given the stated desire to keep the
> location secret. I believed it was possible to track down the location from
> that info.
>
> I am therefore gobsmacked at the suggestion that the location of the 460
> 000 hectare property can disclosed, but the location of the 50 000
> hectare reserve on that property can remain secret. While 460 000 hectares
> might seem a lot (and undoubtedly it would be to search on foot) the
> reality is there is an abundance of freely available digital information to
> identify the exact locality. I will not spell out how – so please don’t ask
> – but the time required would be measured in hours not weeks or years.
>
> While I have no doubt all concerned genuinely want this species to survive
> and thrive it would seem that personalities and petty politics have
> intervened to the species detriment. I find this very sad and
> very unfortunate.
>
> I would think the last thing you’d want to do now is widely and
> freely distribute the call given we know where it is and apparently the
> species readily responds to it. If the call is to be released I would think
> it should only go to small trusted groups of experienced birders with clear
> plans to assess similar habitat across its former range, near and far.
>
> The only upside in all of this situation is now that we pretty much know
> the location there may be opportunities to harness the power of citizen
> science to identify similar landscapes/habitat across its former range,
> either to survey for unknown populations or identify areas where insurance
> populations of this species might be established in future. This may be one
> of the very few benefits of this disclosure.
>
> While it may seem trite, please everyone think of the night parrot not
> yourselves. Most of us may never get to see it in our lifetime but if we
> are responsible now hopefully our children or grandchildren might be able
> to.
>
> Regards, Ben
>
>> On Saturday, 14 May 2016, Tony Russell < pratincole08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Much as I would give my left leg to see a night parrot I have to agree very
>> strongly with Fiona. Keep it secret.
>>
>> Tony.
>>
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>> From: Fiona Anderson < fea2003@hotmail.com
>> Date: 14 May 2016 at 4:08:03 PM AEST
>> To: Greg Roberts < ninderry@westnet.com.au
>> Susie Lycett < susie@lymits.com
>>
>> < info@kirrama.com.au
>>
>> Cc: birding-aus
>> < birding-aus@birding-aus.org
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] night parrot on brighton downs
>>
>>
>> Sorry Greg. I disagree. Let the location be kept as secret as much as
>> possible . At this stage we cannot have birders stomping all over the
>> place
>> looking, flushing,calling, etc to find the bird. At least a minority of
>> these people cannot be trusted as has been shown so many times. There is
>> also a side problem of piracy. How much would night parrots eggs be worth
>> on the overseas market and if they are like similar species they would be
>> easy to rear and sell . Let us leave it to the experts and I for one feel
>> that John Young and the AWC can be trusted. I donate quite a lot of money
>> to the AWC as I know they are doing a great job with endangered species.
>> Cheers, Fiona
>> Sent from my iPad
>> .
>> On 14 May 2016, at 3:33 PM, Greg Roberts
>> < ninderry@westnet.com.au
>>
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