Rob,
I have just re-read my post several times. I am at a loss to see where I picked holes or criticised the new edition of T&T. I believe I only stated that “I will stick with Birdata, Eremaea and B-A’s archives if I wish to discover where a particular species may be found or what species are at a particular location”. I was stating my personal choice. In actual fact, I seldom try to find out what species have been found at the locations at which I bird. If I do, I use the on- line resources. I am just happy with what I see. I also seldom go to the “regular” birding sites, preferring to look for less birded areas. But that is my method of birding, I am not even sure, nor care, how many species I have seen the last time I bothered totting up, it was getting near the third millenary.
Carl Clifford
On 23/03/2011, at 4:22 PM, robert morris wrote:
Carl, Tony et al. It is always easy to pick holes and criticise – especially when you’ve used the old T&T and seen everything, or know about and have access to all these other resources. I’d be interested to know if you’ve actually even seen a copy? As you wrote Tony ‘If one used the first edition exhaustively and went to every location recommended, as I did myself’ – this in my mind is a ringing endorsement for the book for many others who are looking for places to go to look for specific species! Paul (Walbridge) and I noted a few ‘issues’ with the Southport Pelagic write up – but it was still good it got a write up and it was better than the original 2 or 3 lines Richard and Sarah put together! There are always going to be a few errors in such books – and elements of books like this go out of date as soon as they are published. But on the other side of the equation (a more balanced view perhaps) – the book makes a positive contribution to promoting birding and ornithology in Australia and there will (hopefully) be plenty of budding young ornithologists and foreign visitors who use this, as others used the first T&T in the past, to develop a passion for birding. There’s a lot of good stuff in this book and I think that almost writing it off because of one or two errors or omissions is a little premature. I have the old version and have been to most the places in it. There are only a handful of endemics I haven’t seen. But I have bought the new version too – it is interesting to look at what has and what hasn’t changed, and the new sites there are around for some species etc. etc. I guess it depends on your outlook! Rob Morris
> From: pratincole@esc.net.au > To: carlsclifford@gmail.com; jspk@iprimus.com.au > Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:56:46 +1030 > CC: birding-aus@vicnet.net.au; inglisrc@tpg.com.au > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Thomas & Thomas 2nd Edition. > > If one used the first edition exhaustively and went to every location > recommended, as I did myself with other SA birders, there can’t be > too many > new places for the new edition to cover. I sold my original once it > was out > of print and had served its purpose. > > I’m with Carl on this. And if it’s got errors like the Yumbarra one > where > you should go through the gate at the end of Foggo’s Rd before > turning left > ( then travel 2.1km along the fence before turning right up a poorly > marked > narrow track etc), Hm! > > > Tony > > —–Original Message—– > From: birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au > [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Carl > Clifford > Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2011 10:05 AM > To: John Tongue > Cc: Birding-Aus; Robert Inglis > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Thomas & Thomas 2nd Edition. > > I am glad I did not rush out and buy T&T. I am always wary of books > with “Complete” in their titles anyway. I think I will stick with > Birdata, Eremaea and B-A’s archives if I wish to discover where a > particular species may be found or what species are at a particular > location. Much more up to date. > > Cheers, > > Carl Clifford > > > On 23/03/2011, at 9:43 AM, John Tongue wrote: > > Hi All, > We found a few minor discrepancies in the info for Yumbarra > Conservation Reserve in SA. Nothing too major, but it could be > confusing when the notes say to turn left at the Dog fence before > travelling a few km to the gate through the fence, when the gate is > actually at the point Foggo’s Road reaches the dog fence. Apart from > that, just a few name discrepancies. in this listing. > > HAven’t really tried out many of the others – though I did note Bob’s > point about the unusual way Tasmania is sometimes handled!! (Didn’t > want to appear too testy, or mention Brisbane Commonwealth Games 
> > Cheers, > John Tongue > Ulverstone, Tas. > > On 22/03/2011, at 7:14 PM, Robert Inglis wrote: > >> An interesting makeover but Tasmanians must be a little confused. >> There seems to be some doubt about whether Tasmania is part of >> Australia or, in fact, a separate country. >> I thought we worked this sort of thing out a long time ago. >> >> Check out the Bird Finder Guide for the Striated Pardalote and >> Eastern Spinebill entries. >> Or Horsfield’s Bronze-Cuckoo and Shining Bronze-Cuckoo. >> Or Masked Owl and Eastern Barn Owl. >> Or Kelp Gull and Silver Gull. >> >> There’s probably more but this little idiosyncrasy shouldn’t prevent >> anyone finding those, and other, species. >> >> Bob Inglis Sandstone Point >> Qld >> >> =============================== >> >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, >> send the message: >> unsubscribe >> (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) >> to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au >> >> http://birding-aus.org >> =============================== > > =============================== > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, > send the message: > unsubscribe > (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) > to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au > > http://birding-aus.org > =============================== > > =============================== > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, > send the message: > unsubscribe > (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) > to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au > > http://birding-aus.org > =============================== > =============================== > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, > send the message: > unsubscribe > (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) > to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au > > http://birding-aus.org > ===============================
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