Hi everyone, I was just done at the Golf Course this morning and both birds are in the same location where I saw them last night. I’ve posted a map of their location on http://bit.ly/1ckTVWX The red area is where the Plovers are, the black circle further down is where I saw the Black-tailed Native Hen this morning. Regards, Mark =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au http://birding-aus.org ===============================
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10 responses to “Oriental Plovers @ Long Reef”
Hi Denise, Unfortunately these two Darwin birds were never confirmed. Hence, HANZAB Vol. 2 (1993) lists no acceptable records for Australia. Tun Pin’s AGP in Sydney (BARC case No. 766) is the 3rd confirmed record for Australia The first was a worn and faded juvenile seen and photographed at Byron Bay, NSW on 8 November 1994 (BARC case No. 189) and a well photographed individual at the Dry Creek Saltfields, SA in November 2006 (BARC Case No. 529). Cheers, Nikolas —————- Nikolas Haass nhaass@yahoo.com Brisbane, QLD ________________________________ From: Denise Goodfellow <goodfellow@bigpond.com.au> Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 12:15 PM John McKean noted two AGP’s at East Point, Darwin, in December 1985 (unpublished). Record in Annotated List of Top End Birds (Thompson and Goodfellow). Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow PO Box 71, Darwin River, NT 0841 043 8650 835 On 7/10/13 10:57 AM, “Tun Pin Ong” <copsychus@yahoo.com> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
John McKean noted two AGP’s at East Point, Darwin, in December 1985 (unpublished). Record in Annotated List of Top End Birds (Thompson and Goodfellow). Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow PO Box 71, Darwin River, NT 0841 043 8650 835 On 7/10/13 10:57 AM, “Tun Pin Ong” <copsychus@yahoo.com> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Josh, It looks like an adult moulting from breeding into non-breeding plumage. A juvenile would look much plainer but ‘crisper’. Mark, is this the same bird that you mentioned yesterday? If not, do you have photos of yesterday’s bird? Cheers, Nikolas —————- Nikolas Haass nhaass@yahoo.com Brisbane, QLD ________________________________ From: Joshua Bergmark <joshua.birdmark@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 11:31 AM Unfortunately the rouge tennis-ball chasing dog only flushed the Orientals, and this bird remained firmly on the ground – thus we didn’t even see the armpits and had no reason to question or initial Grey Plover ID until we got home, let alone consider AGP. The 12 PGPs that Mark saw yesterday were gone, and it was only the 3 birds (2 Oriental and this one). In the field, it didn’t seem to look or behave like a PGP, and we misinterpreted the size of the bill, which lead to us being so confident on Grey. I completely agree now that it is a golden plover, and yes, PGP of course much more probable. I have never seen this plumage state before though – is it age related (eg: a young bird), or just an a-typical moult? Cheers, Joshua Bergmark On 7 October 2013 12:20, Nikolas Haass <nhaass@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Josh et al. message: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Unfortunately the rouge tennis-ball chasing dog only flushed the Orientals, and this bird remained firmly on the ground – thus we didn’t even see the armpits and had no reason to question or initial Grey Plover ID until we got home, let alone consider AGP. The 12 PGPs that Mark saw yesterday were gone, and it was only the 3 birds (2 Oriental and this one). In the field, it didn’t seem to look or behave like a PGP, and we misinterpreted the size of the bill, which lead to us being so confident on Grey. I completely agree now that it is a golden plover, and yes, PGP of course much more probable. I have never seen this plumage state before though – is it age related (eg: a young bird), or just an a-typical moult? Cheers, Joshua Bergmark On 7 October 2013 12:20, Nikolas Haass <nhaass@yahoo.com> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Hi, I was there too but I was only concentrating on the Oriental Plovers. Though I was the person who spotted AGP years ago, don’t take my word for it :). This is a bird in transitioning plumage and often causes confusion. I do not think it has any traces of white rump for Grey. Cheers Tun Pin ________________________________ From: keith brandwood <kbrandwood@bigpond.com> Sent: Monday, 7 October 2013 12:05 PM No chance of it being a USA GP due to the long tertials which finish close to tail end and cover the primaries. —– Original Message —– Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 11:25 AM =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Hi Josh et al. Your bird seems to have too long tertials and too short primaries and it looks too short-winged, too long-billed and too long-legged to me to be an AGP but I’d like to see more detailed photos to make a clear statement. From the sounds of it you had the opportunity to directly compare the bird in question with 12 PGPs and 2 (-3) Oriental Plovers to be able to judge size and structure. Here some field marks for the four tundra plovers (Pluvialis): Grey Plover is conspicuously larger/heavier than GPs; chunkier; large-headed; heavy-billed; black axillaries and white rump are diagnostic – any views of the axillaries/rump? EGP: Chunky (intermediate between Grey and AGP/PGP); rounder body; shorter legs; relatively even smaller bill; white axillaries are diagnostic. AGP has a longer primary projection than PGP (AGP: 4-5 primary tips visible beyond the tertials (sometimes difficult, when tertials are missing or when primaries are missing or growing): PGP: normally 3 primary tips visible (but sometimes 4 or even 5 depending on the caveats listed above) AGP has a longer wing projection than PGP (AGP: wings protrude conspicuously beyond tail, PGP’s wings similar in length to tail or just longer than tail) – again: this is dependent on moult status Distance between P9 and P10 longer in AGP than PGP AGP has shorter tibiae than PGP AGP has shorter toe projection than PGP (AGP toes as long as tail in flight; PGP’s toes protrude beyond tail) AGP has shorter, more conical bill than PGP. Colouration differences between the two species depend on age and seasonal plumage. Cheers, Nikolas —————- Nikolas Haass nhaass@yahoo.com Brisbane, QLD ________________________________ From: Joshua Bergmark <joshua.birdmark@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 10:25 AM Further to this, it has been pointed out that our “Grey Plover” is not so. General consensus seems to be PGP, however AGP has been raised. Does anyone more experienced than me have thoughts on this? http://imgur.com/a/KFYUd Cheers, Joshua Bergmark _______________________________ On 7 October 2013 09:20, Joshua Bergmark <joshua.birdmark@gmail.com> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
I think it might be an AGP Joshua, considering that the tips of the primaries seem to extend beyond the tail and tertails. Length of wings (particularly in flight – but no shot of that obviously) is usually the main feature which distinguishes a AGP from a PGP. —–Original Message—– [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@lists.vicnet.net.au] On Behalf Of Joshua Bergmark Sent: Monday, 7 October 2013 11:25 AM Further to this, it has been pointed out that our “Grey Plover” is not so. General consensus seems to be PGP, however AGP has been raised. Does anyone more experienced than me have thoughts on this? http://imgur.com/a/KFYUd Cheers, Joshua Bergmark _______________________________ On 7 October 2013 09:20, Joshua Bergmark <joshua.birdmark@gmail.com> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
No chance of it being a USA GP due to the long tertials which finish close to tail end and cover the primaries. —– Original Message —– Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 11:25 AM =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Further to this, it has been pointed out that our “Grey Plover” is not so. General consensus seems to be PGP, however AGP has been raised. Does anyone more experienced than me have thoughts on this? http://imgur.com/a/KFYUd Cheers, Joshua Bergmark _______________________________ On 7 October 2013 09:20, Joshua Bergmark <joshua.birdmark@gmail.com> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Glad you found them yesterday Mark, such great birds! Did you notice the Grey Plover there with them? Oriental Plover 1: http://imgur.com/SEQoq7h Oriental Plover 2: http://imgur.com/0Fmw8MZ Grey Plover: http://imgur.com/BTiK7WU Cheers, Joshua Bergmark On 7 October 2013 08:30, Mark and Amanda Young <youngsfamilymail@gmail.com>wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================