Possible Green Sandpiper
By Birding-Aus, on May 23rd, 2014
Hi Folk, I’ve posted a cropped photo of a possible Green Sandpiper onto Eremaea NQ Birdline http://www.eremaea.com/BirdlineArchive.aspx?Birdline=5&From=20140419&To=20140420 The photo was taken along the Karumba – Normanton Road by Tony Neilsen. I don’t have any further information. Can anyone confirm or offer an alternative ID? Thanks for your help. Cheers, Keith. — Keith & Lindsay Fisher Kingfisher Park Birdwatchers Lodge RN 6 Mt. Kooyong Road Julatten QLD 4871 Ph : (07) 4094 1263 Web Site: www.birdwatchers.com.au Blog: http://kingfisherparkbirdwatchers.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
hey Alan, I’ve had a few dead computers since then too!!! but I’ve kept my notes written at the time, & just a few mins ago, I found a saved lot of “green” SP images on a disk i’d saved, so will act on that tomorrow… we really do need to submit this one I think… cheers, martin cachard. cairns _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
The submission for the Hasties Swamp bird was drafted but the computer died and along with it my enthusiasm. There will be field notes somewhere and a discussion in hte archives. Regards, Alan Alan’s Wildlife Tours 2 Mather Road Yungaburra 4884 Phone 07 4095 3784 Mobile 0408 953 786 http://www.alanswildlifetours.com.au/ —–Original Message—– Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 8:20 PM Cc: Keith Fisher ; Birding-Aus I agree with breeding Wood, not much to doubt about it… i’d say that Tony Neilsen, the observer, probably hasn’t seen this species in good full breeding bloom before…hence it would appear to him as rather different to non-breeding birds that he & other Cairns residents like me see here rather frequently in spring/summer. this reminds me – I must find my images I took of a bird that myself & Adam Arnold were sure was a good Green Sandpiper up here a few years ago on 17/11/2007 that Alan Gillanders had found the day before at Hasties Swamp at Atherton…then I can put them up here for comment… all 3 of us are totally convinced that it was a Green SP – we had good looks at the bird in flight showing dark underwings, it had an abrupt-ending supercilium at the eye, had legs greener than yellow, shorter legs than we are used to on Wood (this was very obvious in flight also), 3 or 4 only & broad black bars across white tail (very unlike the busy wavy pattern of Wood, which always recalls a similar pattern of a Grey Plover for it’s busy-ness to me at least!!), looked much darker dorsally with less paler speckling, & the bird behaved more confidingly than I’m used to with Wood (although this behaviour is hardly anything ever to be too sure about!!). we still haven’t put in a BARC submission as yet but I believe that we should…more on this later when I locate the pics… cheers martin cachard, cairns 0428 782 808 _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org —– No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG – http://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4577 / Virus Database: 3950/7546 – Release Date: 05/23/14 _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
I agree with breeding Wood, not much to doubt about it… i’d say that Tony Neilsen, the observer, probably hasn’t seen this species in good full breeding bloom before…hence it would appear to him as rather different to non-breeding birds that he & other Cairns residents like me see here rather frequently in spring/summer. this reminds me – I must find my images I took of a bird that myself & Adam Arnold were sure was a good Green Sandpiper up here a few years ago on 17/11/2007 that Alan Gillanders had found the day before at Hasties Swamp at Atherton…then I can put them up here for comment… all 3 of us are totally convinced that it was a Green SP – we had good looks at the bird in flight showing dark underwings, it had an abrupt-ending supercilium at the eye, had legs greener than yellow, shorter legs than we are used to on Wood (this was very obvious in flight also), 3 or 4 only & broad black bars across white tail (very unlike the busy wavy pattern of Wood, which always recalls a similar pattern of a Grey Plover for it’s busy-ness to me at least!!), looked much darker dorsally with less paler speckling, & the bird behaved more confidingly than I’m used to with Wood (although this behaviour is hardly anything ever to be too sure about!!). we still haven’t put in a BARC submission as yet but I believe that we should…more on this later when I locate the pics… cheers martin cachard, cairns 0428 782 808 _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
So do I, particularly in regard to the supercilium. In Green it only extends to the eye. Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow PO Box 71 Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841 PhD candidate Vice-chair Wildlife Tourism Australia goodfellow@bigpond.com.au On 23 May 2014, at 4:47 pm, Mick Roderick < mickhhb@yahoo.com.au> wrote: _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
Me too. That long white eyebrow clinches it. Cheers, Tony Ashton On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 5:02 PM, John Graff < jgraff2@hotmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
I would agree with Wood Sandpiper. The supercillium looks like it is far too bold and extends too far behind the eye for a Green Sandpiper. Also I’m more used to far less bold markings on the upper parts on Green. Regards, Gordon King Simply Birding http://www.simplybirding.com LBJ’s made simple; Sounds of the African Bush; Mammals made simple Simply Birding Southern African LBJ’s made simple Sounds of the African Bush Southern African Mammals made simple On 23/05/2014 09:02, John Graff wrote: _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
I agree John (strong super extending past the eye, pale patches on upperparts too large for Green), but you can see where some confusion may lie on this bird – that looks like a very clean and sharp demarcation on the breast, which is good for Green Sands. Could be an artefact of the angle of the image? It’d be nice to see all of the legs too. Mick On Friday, 23 May 2014 5:03 PM, John Graff < jgraff2@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Keith and others, It looks like a Wood Sandpiper in breeding plumage to me………… Cheers, John _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
Hi Keith and others, It looks like a Wood Sandpiper in breeding plumage to me………… Cheers, John _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
Always tricky from 1 photo. Green sands’ dark underwing is very distinctive (obviously not visible here). However, my view from this photo is this bird is probably a Wood Sand. The broad long supercilium is more ‘wood’ than ‘green’. The upperparts also don’t look dark enough for Green, and the tail looks too finely barred. The bill shape too looks more wood to me. Rob Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
Looks like a typical Wood Sandpiper in breeding plumage. Green Sandpipers are far less spotted with white above. Why was that ID considered? Mike Carter 30 Canadian Bay Road Mount Eliza VIC 3930 Tel (03) 9787 7136 —– Original Message —– Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 3:33 PM _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org