Hi All, NZ Fantails are a separate species Rhipidura fuliginosa according to the IOC Master list v5.1 and is only found in NZ and Lord Howe Is while Rhipidura albiscapa is found in Australia, Solomon Islands, Loyalty Islands, New Cal and Vanuatu. So it is not an Australian endemic, all the same. Regards John Yours in all things “green” John Harris BASc, GDipEd Director – Wildlife Experiences P/L Principal Zoologist/Ecologist Nature Photographer Wildlife Guide Croydon, Vic 0409 090 955 President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria www.fncv.org.au —– Reply message —– From: “Stephen Ambrose” <stephen@ambecol.com.au> To: “‘Kim Sterelny'” <kim.sterelny@anu.edu.au>, “‘David Taylor'” <davidstaylor1@optusnet.com.au>, <birding-aus@birding-aus.org> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Fwd: National Bird Hi Kim, I accept your point that the distribution of the Grey Fantail is not restricted to Australia. However, the Aust & NZ Grey Fantails may not be the same species. Schodde & Mason (1999) grouped the Australian, Norfolk Island and Melanesian Grey Fantails into one species (Rhipidura albiscapa), and those in NZ and on Lord Howe Island into another (R. fuliginosa). Christidis & Boles (2008) tentatively followed that grouping, while flagging the need to further examine this relationship. I don’t know if there have been any detailed studies since then. Perhaps others can help here. Kind regards, Stephen Stephen Ambrose Ryde, NSW References Schodde, R. & Mason, I.J. (1999). The Directory of Australian Birds. Passerines (CSIRO Publishing, Collingwood). Christidis, L. & Boles, W. (2008). Systematics and Taxonomy of Australian Birds (CSIRO Publishing, Collingwood). —–Original Message—– From: Kim Sterelny [mailto:kim.sterelny@anu.edu.au] Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 3:02 PM To: Stephen Ambrose; ‘David Taylor’; birding-aus@birding-aus.org Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Fwd: National Bird Lovely bird, but its also in NZ. Kim Sterelny, School of Philosophy, Research School of the Social Sciences, Australian National University, Acton, 0200, ACT, Australia Kim.Sterelny@anu.edu.au or Kim.Sterelny@vuw.ac.nz 61-(0)2-6125-2886 ________________________________________ From: Birding-Aus <birding-aus-bounces@birding-aus.org> on behalf of Stephen Ambrose <stephen@ambecol.com.au> Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 1:23 PM To: ‘David Taylor’; birding-aus@birding-aus.org Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Fwd: National Bird My choice is the Grey Fantail because of its widespread distribution, interesting and conspicuous behaviour and beautiful fan-shaped tail. Stephen Ambrose Ryde NSW —–Original Message—– From: Birding-Aus [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@birding-aus.org] On Behalf Of David Taylor Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 12:23 PM To: birding-aus@birding-aus.org Subject: [Birding-Aus] Fwd: National Bird Given its almost Australia wide distribution, urban and rural presence and striking plumage that would work well on crests etc I’d nominate the Australian Magpie as my pick as our National bird Cheers David Taylor Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: “Tony Russell” <pratincole08@gmail.com> > Date: 21 March 2015 8:45:43 am AEST > To: “‘Carl Clifford'” <carlsclifford@gmail.com>, “‘Martin > Butterfield'” <martinflab@gmail.com> > Cc: ‘birding-aus NEW’ <birding-aus@birding-aus.org> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] National Bird > > Could have Abbott the Rabbit. > > —–Original Message—– > From: Birding-Aus [mailto:birding-aus-bounces@birding-aus.org] On > Behalf Of Carl Clifford > Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 9:22 PM > To: Martin Butterfield > Cc: birding-aus NEW > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] National Bird > > Nope we do not have an National bird or animal. Considering what has > been coming out of Canberra over the last few years, perhaps our > National Bird should be the Spangled Drongo. > > Carl Clifford > > >>> On 20 Mar 2015, at 7:10 pm, Martin Butterfield >>> <martinflab@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I had assumed it was the Emu as it features on our Coat of Arms. >> However I can’t find anything authoritative which confirms this or >> offers an alternative. >> >> Surely we have one? If not, I cry ‘Shime, shime ” and ask what can >> be done and by whom to get one. (For various reasons, if starting >> from scratch, my pick would be Galah.) >> >> >> Martin Butterfield >> http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/ >>
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Instead of all this debate about finding a bird which is well known why not instead go for a bird that no-one hardly ever sees, ie the Fernwren. Nothing like a bit of obscurity to set the pulses racing, and, as usual, the general public wouldn’t have a clue as to what it is or where to find it. T —–Original Message—– wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 5:32 PM birding-aus@birding-aus.org Hi All, NZ Fantails are a separate species Rhipidura fuliginosa according to the IOC Master list v5.1 and is only found in NZ and Lord Howe Is while Rhipidura albiscapa is found in Australia, Solomon Islands, Loyalty Islands, New Cal and Vanuatu. So it is not an Australian endemic, all the same. Regards John Yours in all things “green” John Harris BASc, GDipEd Director – Wildlife Experiences P/L Principal Zoologist/Ecologist Nature Photographer Wildlife Guide Croydon, Vic 0409 090 955 President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria http://www.fncv.org.au —– Reply message —– < davidstaylor1@optusnet.com.au>, < birding-aus@birding-aus.org> Hi Kim, I accept your point that the distribution of the Grey Fantail is not restricted to Australia. However, the Aust & NZ Grey Fantails may not be the same species. Schodde & Mason (1999) grouped the Australian, Norfolk Island and Melanesian Grey Fantails into one species (Rhipidura albiscapa), and those in NZ and on Lord Howe Island into another (R. fuliginosa). Christidis & Boles (2008) tentatively followed that grouping, while flagging the need to further examine this relationship. I don’t know if there have been any detailed studies since then. Perhaps others can help here. Kind regards, Stephen Stephen Ambrose Ryde, NSW References Schodde, R. & Mason, I.J. (1999). The Directory of Australian Birds. Passerines (CSIRO Publishing, Collingwood). Christidis, L. & Boles, W. (2008). Systematics and Taxonomy of Australian Birds (CSIRO Publishing, Collingwood). —–Original Message—– Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 3:02 PM Lovely bird, but its also in NZ. Kim Sterelny, School of Philosophy, Research School of the Social Sciences, Australian National University, Acton, 0200, ACT, Australia Kim.Sterelny@anu.edu.au or Kim.Sterelny@vuw.ac.nz 61-(0)2-6125-2886 ________________________________________ Ambrose < stephen@ambecol.com.au> Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 1:23 PM My choice is the Grey Fantail because of its widespread distribution, interesting and conspicuous behaviour and beautiful fan-shaped tail. Stephen Ambrose Ryde NSW —–Original Message—– David Taylor Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 12:23 PM Given its almost Australia wide distribution, urban and rural presence and striking plumage that would work well on crests etc I’d nominate the Australian Magpie as my pick as our National bird Cheers David Taylor Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message:
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