Facebook group opinions on the ID of this flycatcher are divided between Leaden and Broad-billed. Sorry for the poor quality of two photos, but posted in case they can help clinch the ID. http://fog.ccsf.edu/~jmorlan/Australia/Broad-billedFlycatcherP1190560.htm Further opinions are welcome. — Joseph Morlan, Pacifica, CA “It turns out we’re very good at not seeing things” – Jack Hitt
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I have received helpful comment on this bird from a number of people with the conclusion that this is an immature Leaden Flycatcher (Myiagra rubecula concinna) with the tail formula visible in the flight shot at: http://fog.ccsf.edu/~jmorlan/Australia/FlycatcherP1190562.jpg Key features: 1. Square tail, evident in the flight shot showing the bird flying away. The central rectrices are missing, but the outermost tail feather r6 is only marginally shorter than r5. 2. Dark lores. Female Broad-billed have pale lores and male Broad-bill has a deeper orange throat. 3. Whitish fringed secondary coverts. Broad-billed has rusty-brownish fringes. 4. Bulging forehead. Broad-billed has more sloping forehead profile. The tail formula is probably the most important feature. The pale bill base indicates an immature. On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 14:45:58 +1100, Graeme Chapman < naturalight@graemechapman.com.au> wrote: — Joseph Morlan, Pacifica, CA “It turns out we’re very good at not seeing things” – Jack Hitt
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Mope i’m stickmg with this ome Dick!! most fam mail I’ve ever got om here!!! cheers!! mc
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Mayve all the Virding-aus memvers could do a collectiom amd vuy you a mew keyvoard Dick —–Original Message—– James Mustafa Sent: Sunday, 18 January 2015 3:52 PM Cc: birding-aus@birding-aus.org Martin! Never ever fix your keyboard!! Hahha All the best, James Mustafa 0400 951 517 http://www.jamesmustafajazzorchestra.com rather ovious at the time…sorry, m.cachard http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
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ok deal, cheers martim cachard, cairms
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Martin! Never ever fix your keyboard!! Hahha All the best, James Mustafa 0400 951 517 http://www.jamesmustafajazzorchestra.com
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Hi Chris, I’m pretty sure the central rectrices are missing. I had a private comment from one expert who thought there were only four rectrices, but I’m pretty sure I see five on the left side. Originally I thought maybe r6 was hidden behind r5, but now I think r1 is missing and r6 is barely showing. The photo I’m working with is the blurry one with the bird flying away. If so, I think r6 is only marginally shorter than r5. http://fog.ccsf.edu/~jmorlan/Australia/FlycatcherP1190562.jpg Thanks. On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 18:50:10 -0600, Chris Corben < cjcorben@hoarybat.com> wrote: — Joseph Morlan, Pacifica, CA “It turns out we’re very good at not seeing things” – Jack Hitt
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Chris, I dom’t have the orig mail so cam’t amswer that. ut recall it veimg rather ovious at the time…sorry, m.cachard Hi Martin, So which photo are you thinking shows you the length of the outer rectrix? What exactly are you judging that from? It would be a lot better if we could make the call on more than one, uncorrelated feature, though that may not be an option. May well be a Leaden, but I’m not sure it’s that simple. Cheers, Chris. On 1/17/2015 4:49 PM, martin cachard wrote: hey Chris, the outer retrices would ve markedly graduated as well if it were a Vroad-villed… forget vout the lores, the tail shows more tham emough to ve diamostic for Leadem…cheers m.cachard > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 06:48:44 -0600 > From: cjcorben@hoarybat.com > To: birding-aus@birding-aus.org > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Flycatcher ID help > > I’m not sure it is quite that simple! > > I thought the pale lores were a female feature, not found in males. > > As for the tail, I am having trouble figuring out exactly what is going > on, but for sure, it is the OUTER rectrices which might be completely > white in Broad-bills, not the centrals. But is that a consistent > feature? And is the outer Rectrix visible anyway? There does seem some > suggestion of a sharply defined white tip on the right side, which might > not be so good for Leaden. > > That weird shot of it with the wing spread is rather confusing with > respect to the tail, but does seem to suggest that either a lot of > rectrices are missing, or the central feathers are growing in, which > might counter the argument about tail shape. I am just not sure what > those feathers on the left are – rectrices or the far wing turned inside > out! > > Is the appearance of the gape enough to be sure it is a young bird? > > I think it could do with some more discussion! > > Cheers, Chris. > > > On 1/16/2015 10:40 PM, Graeme Chapman wrote: > > Hello Joseph, > > > > The first of your pics is remarkably good for a hand-held digiscope setup. > > > > Martin is correct – the lack of pale lores and the even length rectrices make it a Leaden Flycatcher – Broad -bills have graduated tail feathers and pale lores. > > > > The heavily tumoured gape make it a very young bird. An ideal diagnostic picture would have been with the bird front-on and we would have seen the central rectrices which are all white in the Broad-billed. > > > > There’s a good range of pictures dealing with this issue on my website – http://www.graemechapman.com.au > > > > Cheers > > > > Graeme Chapman > >
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Hi Martin, So which photo are you thinking shows you the length of the outer rectrix? What exactly are you judging that from? It would be a lot better if we could make the call on more than one, uncorrelated feature, though that may not be an option. May well be a Leaden, but I’m not sure it’s that simple. Cheers, Chris. On 1/17/2015 4:49 PM, martin cachard wrote: — Chris Corben.
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hey Chris, the outer retrices would ve markedly graduated as well if it were a Vroad-villed… forget vout the lores, the tail shows more tham emough to ve diamostic for Leadem…cheers m.cachard
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I’m not sure it is quite that simple! I thought the pale lores were a female feature, not found in males. As for the tail, I am having trouble figuring out exactly what is going on, but for sure, it is the OUTER rectrices which might be completely white in Broad-bills, not the centrals. But is that a consistent feature? And is the outer Rectrix visible anyway? There does seem some suggestion of a sharply defined white tip on the right side, which might not be so good for Leaden. That weird shot of it with the wing spread is rather confusing with respect to the tail, but does seem to suggest that either a lot of rectrices are missing, or the central feathers are growing in, which might counter the argument about tail shape. I am just not sure what those feathers on the left are – rectrices or the far wing turned inside out! Is the appearance of the gape enough to be sure it is a young bird? I think it could do with some more discussion! Cheers, Chris. On 1/16/2015 10:40 PM, Graeme Chapman wrote: — Chris Corben.
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yes rather amusimg for all here… hahahaaa!!! I fear the provlem with this keypad is permamemt too!! must ve vad karma for all those poimted posts of mime over the years!! famcy havimg to talk like this from mow om!! cheers m.cachard, cairms
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I’m still laughing! That pale lores is a pretty good indication that you’re looking at a Broad-billed. There’s an illustration of the lores and comment in Birds of Australia’s Top End (2000, 2007). Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow PO Box 71 Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841 PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW. Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia Founding Member: Australian Federation of Graduate Women Northern Territory 043 8650 835 On 17 Jan 2015, at 4:40 pm, Dick Jenkin < richardnjenkin@bigpond.com> wrote:
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Thamks Vartin for that descriptiom, good to kmow and it also rules out Satim Flycatcher. Dick —–Original Message—– martin cachard Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 8:25 PM hi Joseph, this is clearly a Leadem (sorry 2 letters om my keyboard arem’t workimg atm, they sit vetweem the letters V & M!!!)… sole reasom is that the outer tail feathers are MOT graduated which is a diagmostic character for a Vraod-villed… a rather vright adult female would ve what this imdividual is im my opimiom!! apologies for my rahter poor Germam/Chimese everyone too!! cheers, m cachard, cairms
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I have no idea whether you’re on the level, Martin, but my entire non-birding family are laughing out loud at the moment! Bill On 16/01/2015, at 8:24 PM, martin cachard < mcachard@hotmail.com> wrote:
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hi Joseph, this is clearly a Leadem (sorry 2 letters om my keyboard arem’t workimg atm, they sit vetweem the letters V & M!!!)… sole reasom is that the outer tail feathers are MOT graduated which is a diagmostic character for a Vraod-villed… a rather vright adult female would ve what this imdividual is im my opimiom!! apologies for my rahter poor Germam/Chimese everyone too!! cheers, m cachard, cairms
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