Good afternoon, Just a quick question regarding Graylag Goose (and other seemingly feral species) as a “tickable” species in Victoria.Without going into the discussion regarding individual qualifications for personal life lists, national lists, state lists, yard lists and so on and so forth …. I have noticed that quite a few Victorian birders have species such as Graylag Goose on their Vic list posted on Eremaea (for example) from places such as Corowa Sewage Ponds and The Keys Wetlands in Keysborough and, coupled with other such events as almost driving into 3 Helmeted Guineafowl along Gherang Road (south of Cape Otway Rd) the other morning, recording Muscovy Duck at Castlemaine Botanic Gardens last month, Barbary Dove when I used to live in Newport, the list goes on …. I pose the question of where does it end in terms of officially accepted species. Are there any “tickable” Peafowl, Wild Turkey, Chukar, California Quail, Mandarin Duck (alright getting a bit ridiculous now), but where and who (in Victoria, in Australia) draws the line in terms of official records, that is to say those records that will be accepted by BARC, will be recorded in the Breeding Bird Atlas, accepted on a Twitchathon event, for example as part of the Victorian or NSW Twitchathon Official Species List (Mallard is on this list but not Graylag Goose or Muscovy) …. so, a lesson on how to turn a quick question into a debate, but rather than open up a topic that would have been debated at length at various times I’m sure, is there an official document which states what can be officially counted and what is then left up to the individual to add to his or her day, year, life list at their own discretion along with heard only species and other categories that people might add (or not) to their various lists. Thanks for your advice. Please reply off-line (e-mail below) as my intention is certainly not to open this up for debate. p.rose@kardinia.vic.edu.au Regards, Paul =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) to: birding-aus-request@vicnet.net.au http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Thanks for confirming that John … I ticked the Peafowl at Cataract Gorge but sadly, never got to King Island. Jude —–Original Message—– Cc: fairywren1 < fairywren1@hotmail.com>; birding-aus < birding-aus@vicnet.net.au> Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2013 4:43 am Yes Jude, Peafowl at Cataract Gorge, and a number of other spots round Tassie are tickable. As are California Quail, Feral Turkeys, and Common Pheasants on King Island, and the Turkeys and Pheasants also on Flinders Island. John Tongue Ulverstone, Tas. On 15/11/2013, at 7:08 PM, Jude Latt < birdingoz@aol.com> wrote: Lauceston Tas as it is believed the birds have ‘free ranged’ at Cataract Gorge for some 100 years ???? Plus I was under the impression the California Quail and Wild Turkey are tickable on King Island Tassy. “tickable ferals” a The species. on that own might is =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Yes Jude, Peafowl at Cataract Gorge, and a number of other spots round Tassie are tickable. As are California Quail, Feral Turkeys, and Common Pheasants on King Island, and the Turkeys and Pheasants also on Flinders Island. John Tongue Ulverstone, Tas. On 15/11/2013, at 7:08 PM, Jude Latt < birdingoz@aol.com> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
I was under the impression that the Indian Peafowl could be tickable in Lauceston Tas as it is believed the birds have ‘free ranged’ at Cataract Gorge for some 100 years ???? Plus I was under the impression the California Quail and Wild Turkey are tickable on King Island Tassy. —–Original Message—– Sent: Thu, Nov 14, 2013 2:39 pm Good afternoon, Just a quick question regarding Graylag Goose (and other seemingly feral species) as a “tickable” species in Victoria.Without going into the discussion regarding individual qualifications for personal life lists, national lists, state lists, yard lists and so on and so forth …. I have noticed that quite a few Victorian birders have species such as Graylag Goose on their Vic list posted on Eremaea (for example) from places such as Corowa Sewage Ponds and The Keys Wetlands in Keysborough and, coupled with other such events as almost driving into 3 Helmeted Guineafowl along Gherang Road (south of Cape Otway Rd) the other morning, recording Muscovy Duck at Castlemaine Botanic Gardens last month, Barbary Dove when I used to live in Newport, the list goes on …. I pose the question of where does it end in terms of officially accepted species. Are there any “tickable” Peafowl, Wild Turkey, Chukar, California Quail, Mandarin Duck (alright getting a bit ridiculous now), but where and who (in Victoria, in Australia) draws the line in terms of official records, that is to say those records that will be accepted by BARC, will be recorded in the Breeding Bird Atlas, accepted on a Twitchathon event, for example as part of the Victorian or NSW Twitchathon Official Species List (Mallard is on this list but not Graylag Goose or Muscovy) …. so, a lesson on how to turn a quick question into a debate, but rather than open up a topic that would have been debated at length at various times I’m sure, is there an official document which states what can be officially counted and what is then left up to the individual to add to his or her day, year, life list at their own discretion along with heard only species and other categories that people might add (or not) to their various lists. Thanks for your advice. Please reply off-line (e-mail below) as my intention is certainly not to open this up for debate. p.rose@kardinia.vic.edu.au Regards, Paul =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org =============================== =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
Paul, your said you’ve noticed these species on lists on Eremaea. I would put anything I saw roaming wild on there, but I would call them “countable for surveys”, not necessarily “tickable”. I’m not sure exactly what my definition of “roaming wild” is. I wouldn’t count ducks and geese hanging around in a farm yard, but I’d count the same birds on Lake Borrie at WTP. Peter Shute Sent from my iPad re =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
I guess the arbiter is the BARC list, which does not include the Greylag. Of course it is often hard – Helmeted Guineafowl is on the list but how many of the ones you see are self-sustaining wild populations? How do you tell? And how do you know that the Sulphur-crested Cockie you just ticked did not actually escape from an aviary this morning????? On 14 November 2013 16:05, Jeremy O’Wheel < owheelj@gmail.com> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================
I don’t think Graylag Goose would be tickable in Australia at all, since all are escaped domestic breeds (as far as we know). Northern Mallard is tickable because some are supposedly populations introduced from true type populations, but feral domestic mallards shouldn’t be tickable. Muskovy duck is also untickable because they are only domestic feral escapees. You would have to have good evidence that a Muskovy Duck or Graylag Goose is an actual vagrant to be able to tick it. Peafowl, Wild Turkey and California Quail do exist in tickable populations. To be tickable it has to have wild lineage, match wild plumage, and be a breeding population (or a vagrant from a breeding population). Of course people can tick whatever they like on their personal lists, depending on how low their standards are. Jeremy On 14 November 2013 15:39, Paul Rose < fairywren1@hotmail.com> wrote: =============================== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message: unsubscribe (in the body of the message, with no Subject line) http://birding-aus.org ===============================