I have just received my copy of the Bird Families of the World, from the HBW people. Magnificent volume! Anyway, I see they use Zanda as the generic name for the Yellow-tailed and two White-tailed Cockatoos. When did this happen? I’d like to know as it affects my online persona (I’ll have to become Zanda now, solemn and mournful, not noisy and gregarious). ? John Leonard
Birding-Aus mailing list
Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org
To change settings or unsubscribe visit:
http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
Looks like we are all prisoners of Zenda. Carl Clifford
Birding-Aus mailing list
Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org
To change settings or unsubscribe visit:
http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
Thanks Mike. I did not have access to White et al. (2011), I was just relying on the citations from del Hoyo & Collar (2014) and Winkler et al. (2015), based on a quick literature search. del Hoyo & Collar (2014) state in relation to genus Zanda (p. 700): “Previously included in Calyptorhynchus, but DNA study indicates that recognition is warranted (White et al. 2011).” There is no further comment about the DNA study in Winkler et al. (2015) (p. 261), but they have used the Zanda upgrade to genus level by del Hoyo & Collar (2014). The species profile for Zanda funerea in the IUCN Red List for Threatened species states “Zanda funerea (del Hoyo and Collar 2014) was previously placed in the genus Calyptorhynchus as C. funereus.” So, it looks like del Hoyo & Collar (2014) either misquoted White et al. (2011) or, as you say, decided to upgrade Zanda to genus based on what they read, and this has been picked up in subsequent publications. Kind regards, Stephen Stephen Ambrose Ryde, NSW —–Original Message—– Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 10:37 PM I have just been looking at my copy of White et al. (2011) and they do not appear to suggest that /Calyptorhynchus/ be separated into two separate genera but rather say their DNA work supports Schodde’s (1997) recognition of the two subgenera – /C. (Calyptorhynchus)/ and /C. (Zanda)/ – on page 620, 2nd paragraph of the paper. So if the subsequent authors are suggesting the recognition of two separate genera that must be be their decision rather than one made by White et al. cheers, Mike Owen On 07-Jan-16 8:59 AM, Stephen Ambrose wrote:
Birding-Aus mailing list
Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org
To change settings or unsubscribe visit:
http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
Birding-Aus mailing list
Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org
To change settings or unsubscribe visit:
http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
The genus Zanda is only recognized in the BirdLife International tax list. It is not recognized in Clements or IOC.
Birding-Aus mailing list
Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org
To change settings or unsubscribe visit:
http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
I have just been looking at my copy of White et al. (2011) and they do not appear to suggest that /Calyptorhynchus/ be separated into two separate genera but rather say their DNA work supports Schodde’s (1997) recognition of the two subgenera – /C. (Calyptorhynchus)/ and /C. (Zanda)/ – on page 620, 2nd paragraph of the paper. So if the subsequent authors are suggesting the recognition of two separate genera that must be be their decision rather than one made by White et al. cheers, Mike Owen
Birding-Aus mailing list
Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org
To change settings or unsubscribe visit:
http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
Hi John, A quick look at the literature: Zanda was a subgenus of the genus Calyptorhynchus. But DNA studies by White et al. (2011) suggested that Zanda should be separated from Calyptorhynchus and elevated to genus level. This classification was picked up subsequently by del Hoyo & Collar (2014), who are not quoted by the IUCN Red List of Threatened Species http://dx.doi.org/10.2305/IUCN.UK.2012-1.RLTS.T22684739A38977158.en and Winkler et al. (2015) (my copy also arrived in the post yesterday). References Del Hoyo, J. and Collar, N.J. (2014). HBW and BirdLife International Illustrated Checklist of the Birds of the World. Vol 1: Non-passerines (Lynx Edicions, Barcelona). White, NE., Phillips, MJ., Gilbert, MTP., Alfaro-Nunez, A., Willerslev, E., Mawsond, PR., Spencer, PBS. and Bunce, M. (2011). The evolutionary history of cockatoos (Aves: Psittaciformes: Cacatuidae). Mol. Pylogenet. Evol. 59(3): 615-622. Winkler, DW., Billerman, S.M. and Lovette, IJ (2015). Bird Families of the World: An Invitation to the Spectacular Diversity of Birds (Lynx Edicions, Barcelona). Kind regards, Stephen Stephen Ambrose Ryde, NSW —–Original Message—– Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 8:50 AM I have just received my copy of the Bird Families of the World, from the HBW people. Magnificent volume! Anyway, I see they use Zanda as the generic name for the Yellow-tailed and two White-tailed Cockatoos. When did this happen? I’d like to know as it affects my online persona (I’ll have to become Zanda now, solemn and mournful, not noisy and gregarious). ? John Leonard
Birding-Aus mailing list
Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org
To change settings or unsubscribe visit:
http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
Birding-Aus mailing list
Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org
To change settings or unsubscribe visit:
http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org