Hello all, I’m not 100% sure on this topic. Tony Palliser would be able to verify but I hear there will be no update to C&B 2008. The new Birdlife Australia has/will adopt the IOC list and Tony and David James have done an excellent job of condensing the IOC list into a replacement for C & B. Good news for the Australian birding community as we’ll see the list updated when the IOC announce new splits/lumps every few months rather than wait 10+ years. Cheers Richard Baxter ===============================
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Hi Philip, didn’t you ever collect train and bus numbers when you were a kid ? That’s where my impetus for bird numbers began.
Tony
Thanks Steve, Whoops, yes Hornbill Friarbird should be on the list. Sorry, my error. If you have already downloaded the list and are happy to retrofit it, here is what to do: Insert a new row below row 694 (Helmeted Friarbird) and type the following in the first three cells 694.1 / Philemon yorki / Hornbill Friarbird Tony will put an updated version on the Birders Totals web site soon. To clarify, Hornbill Friarbird is the ‘helmeted friarbird from Eastern Qld (s. Torres Strait, Cape York to about Clairview/Shoalwater Bay). It is an Australian endemic Within Australia Helmeted Friarbird P. buceroides is now confined to the Northern Territory. Thanks for the armchair tick, let me know if you find anymore errors, but please not too many, I want to celebrate 750 in the field, not at the computer!
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Hello David. I have just downloaded the checklist which is very helpful and thank you for making it available. I was just wondering why the Hornbill Friarbird does not appear on the list. The IOC list seems to have the Hornbill Friarbird (philemon yorki) split from Helmeted Friarbird. It states that it is found in NE Australia so I assume it is the same as the yorki sub-species of the Helmeted Friarbird. Cheers Steve Murray ________________________________________ Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2011 12:31 PM
Hi folks,
The checklist available for download on Tony Palliser’s “Birders Totals” web page is not an ‘official’ checklist for Australia yet. It was prepared by me for the “Birders Totals” web page and for BARC. However, since BARC is a committee of Birds (Birdlife) Australia, BARC will not officially adopt this list unless BA endorses it. BARC has therefore recommended that BA consider it. Our recommended approach is not just a new list to replace Christidis & Boles but a new process to have a living checklist instead of a static one, consistent with the rest of the world, while retaining an appropriate guiding roll in the local decisions. It is worth taking a bit of time to ensure that we get it right.
Meanwhile it is easy and fun to calculate your list: http://www.tonypalliser.com/totals.html
Tell us what you think.
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As far as I’m aware Hornbill Friarbird should be on the list (as Steve said, it is the Cape York race of Helmeted, a very convenient armchair tick for many I’m sure!) Joshua Bergmark
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Hello David. I have just downloaded the checklist which is very helpful and thank you for making it available. I was just wondering why the Hornbill Friarbird does not appear on the list. The IOC list seems to have the Hornbill Friarbird (philemon yorki) split from Helmeted Friarbird. It states that it is found in NE Australia so I assume it is the same as the yorki sub-species of the Helmeted Friarbird. Cheers Steve Murray ________________________________________ Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2011 12:31 PM
Hi folks,
The checklist available for download on Tony Palliser’s “Birders Totals” web page is not an ‘official’ checklist for Australia yet. It was prepared by me for the “Birders Totals” web page and for BARC. However, since BARC is a committee of Birds (Birdlife) Australia, BARC will not officially adopt this list unless BA endorses it. BARC has therefore recommended that BA consider it. Our recommended approach is not just a new list to replace Christidis & Boles but a new process to have a living checklist instead of a static one, consistent with the rest of the world, while retaining an appropriate guiding roll in the local decisions. It is worth taking a bit of time to ensure that we get it right.
Meanwhile it is easy and fun to calculate your list: http://www.tonypalliser.com/totals.html
Tell us what you think.
David James, Sydney burunglaut07@yahoo.com ==============================
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Hi David,
Thanks for clarifying that and sorry for botching the Emerald Doves up to people out there. I’d love to see how this taxa has been classified internationally.
Mick
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Hi Martin, The Pacific Emerald Dove is the name for birds that occur on mainland Aus and the Pacific Islands. In Aus territory, Indian Emerald Dove occurs only on Christmas Island Pacific Koel is the bird on the mainland and has been recorded at Ashmore Reef. Asian Koel is now regular on Christmas and Cocos so keep a look out for it in the NW. Sorry, but you dip on both for now. I will send you a spreadsheet that compares three Australian checklists: Christidis & Boles, the IOC-based Australian list and the BirdLife International-based list. If anyone else wants it let me know off line. BTW, I am working on an amazing, sophisticated algorithm to automatically and accurately predict and tally your list without you having to tick off your species. Basically it starts with my list and removes the birds I don’t care to share. David James, Sydney burunglaut07@yahoo.com ==============================
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Hi David, Well done with the Aust Bird List. I have to confess, that just now is the first time that I’ve had a really good look at it. I have now downloaded it, put in my records, & have let it do all the sums for me. But, I am still 8 spp short for my 700th !! I have had a good look at HANZAB, C&B 2008, etc but I am still none the wiser on a few things, & I have a couple of questions for you that are a result of new developments that don’t seem to be covered in these references… I am not sure about the 2 Emerald Doves & the 2 Eudynamys Koels listed, so far as which spp occurs where … I have seen the doves in NW Aust, E Aust & Lord Howe Is – have I seen both?? I have seen Koels throughout mainland Aust also – which is it that I have seen?? The rest of the new arrangement I could work out, but these stumped me!! Thanks in advance for your clarifications, Martin Cachard, Cairns, 0428 782 808
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Hi Martin, The Pacific Emerald Dove is the name for birds that occur on mainland Aus and the Pacific Islands. In Aus territory, Indian Emerald Dove occurs only on Christmas Island Pacific Koel is the bird on the mainland and has been recorded at Ashmore Reef. Asian Koel is now regular on Christmas and Cocos so keep a look out for it in the NW. Sorry, but you dip on both for now. I will send you a spreadsheet that compares three Australian checklists: Christidis & Boles, the IOC-based Australian list and the BirdLife International-based list. If anyone else wants it let me know off line. BTW, I am working on an amazing, sophisticated algorithm to automatically and accurately predict and tally your list without you having to tick off your species. Basically it starts with my list and removes the birds I don’t care to share. David James, Sydney burunglaut07@yahoo.com ==============================
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Hi David, Well done with the Aust Bird List. I have to confess, that just now is the first time that I’ve had a really good look at it. I have now downloaded it, put in my records, & have let it do all the sums for me. But, I am still 8 spp short for my 700th !! I have had a good look at HANZAB, C&B 2008, etc but I am still none the wiser on a few things, & I have a couple of questions for you that are a result of new developments that don’t seem to be covered in these references… I am not sure about the 2 Emerald Doves & the 2 Eudynamys Koels listed, so far as which spp occurs where … I have seen the doves in NW Aust, E Aust & Lord Howe Is – have I seen both?? I have seen Koels throughout mainland Aust also – which is it that I have seen?? The rest of the new arrangement I could work out, but these stumped me!! Thanks in advance for your clarifications, Martin Cachard, Cairns, 0428 782 808
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Hi Martin, Funny as I was going to ask the same thing re: Emerald Doves, but as far as I understand it C. indica (“Common”) occurs in the Top End and Kimberley (there’s your first armchair tick) and this species also ranges into SE Asia. whereas C. longirostris (“Pacific”) is the one found on the East Coast of Australia and Pacific Islands (including Lord Howe). C. natalis (from Christmas Island) is retained as a subspecies of (presumably) C. indica. I am still wondering however, if it is that clear-cut – i.e. has either species been recorded in ‘opposing’ areas? I think Asian Koel has only been recorded on Christmas / Cocos Islands but recall comments about birds in WA possibly being this species. Surely there are other species soon-to-be-recognised? One that springs to mind is Silver-backed Butcherbird. Mick
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Hi David, Well done with the Aust Bird List. I have to confess, that just now is the first time that I’ve had a really good look at it. I have now downloaded it, put in my records, & have let it do all the sums for me. But, I am still 8 spp short for my 700th !! I have had a good look at HANZAB, C&B 2008, etc but I am still none the wiser on a few things, & I have a couple of questions for you that are a result of new developments that don’t seem to be covered in these references… I am not sure about the 2 Emerald Doves & the 2 Eudynamys Koels listed, so far as which spp occurs where …I have seen the doves in NW Aust, E Aust & Lord Howe Is – have I seen both??I have seen Koels throughout mainland Aust also – which is it that I have seen?? The rest of the new arrangement I could work out, but these stumped me!! Thanks in advance for your clarifications, Martin Cachard,Cairns,0428 782 808 ===============================
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Hi David, Well done with the Aust Bird List. I have to confess, that just now is the first time that I’ve had a really good look at it. I have now downloaded it, put in my records, & have let it do all the sums for me. But, I am still 8 spp short for my 700th !! I have had a good look at HANZAB, C&B 2008, etc but I am still none the wiser on a few things, & I have a couple of questions for you that are a result of new developments that don’t seem to be covered in these references… I am not sure about the 2 Emerald Doves & the 2 Eudynamys Koels listed, so far as which spp occurs where …I have seen the doves in NW Aust, E Aust & Lord Howe Is – have I seen both??I have seen Koels throughout mainland Aust also – which is it that I have seen?? The rest of the new arrangement I could work out, but these stumped me!! Thanks in advance for your clarifications, Martin Cachard,Cairns,0428 782 808
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Hi folks, The checklist available for download on Tony Palliser’s “Birders Totals” web page is not an ‘official’ checklist for Australia yet. It was prepared by me for the “Birders Totals” web page and for BARC. However, since BARC is a committee of Birds (Birdlife) Australia, BARC will not officially adopt this list unless BA endorses it. BARC has therefore recommended that BA consider it. Our recommended approach is not just a new list to replace Christidis & Boles but a new process to have a living checklist instead of a static one, consistent with the rest of the world, while retaining an appropriate guiding roll in the local decisions. It is worth taking a bit of time to ensure that we get it right. Meanwhile it is easy and fun to calculate your list: http://www.tonypalliser.com/totals.html
Tell us what you think.
David James, Sydney burunglaut07@yahoo.com ==============================
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Albatrosses on IOC Australian list:
Diomedeidae Albatrosses Phoebastria immutabilis Laysan Albatross Diomedea exulans Wandering Albatross Diomedea antipodensis Antipodean Albatross Diomedea epomophora Southern Royal Albatross Diomedea sanfordi Northern Royal Albatross Phoebetria fusca Sooty Albatross Phoebetria palpebrata Light-mantled Albatross Thalassarche melanophris Black-browed Albatross Thalassarche impavida Campbell Albatross Thalassarche cauta Shy Albatross Thalassarche eremita Chatham Albatross Thalassarche salvini Salvin’s Albatross Thalassarche chrysostoma Grey-headed Albatross Thalassarche chlororhynchos Atlantic Yellow-nosed Albatross Thalassarche carteri Indian Yellow-nosed Albatross Thalassarche bulleri Buller’s Albatross
Albatrosses on IOC world list:
Phoebastria immutabilis Laysan Albatross Phoebastria nigripes Black-footed Albatross Phoebastria irrorata Waved Albatross Phoebastria albatrus Short-tailed Albatross Diomedea exulans Wandering Albatross Diomedea antipodensis Antipodean Albatross Diomedea amsterdamensis Amsterdam Albatross Diomedea dabbenena Tristan Albatross Diomedea epomophora Southern Royal Albatross Diomedea sanfordi Northern Royal Albatross Phoebetria fusca Sooty Albatross Phoebetria palpebrata Light-mantled Albatross Thalassarche melanophris Black-browed Albatross Thalassarche impavida Campbell Albatross Thalassarche cauta Shy Albatross Thalassarche eremita Chatham Albatross Thalassarche salvini Salvin’s Albatross Thalassarche chrysostoma Grey-headed Albatross Thalassarche chlororhynchos Atlantic Yellow-nosed Albatross Thalassarche carteri Indian Yellow-nosed Albatross Thalassarche bulleri Buller’s Albatross
Albatrosses on Clements world list:
Phoebastria immutabilis Laysan Albatross Phoebastria nigripes Black-footed Albatross Phoebastria irrorata Waved Albatross Phoebastria albatrus Short-tailed Albatross Diomedea exulans Wandering Albatross Diomedea epomophora Royal Albatross Phoebetria fusca Sooty Albatross Phoebetria palpebrata Light-mantled Albatross Thalassarche melanophris Black-browed Albatross Thalassarche cauta White-capped Albatross Thalassarche eremita Chatham Albatross Thalassarche salvini Salvin’s Albatross Thalassarche chrysostoma Gray-headed Albatross Thalassarche chlororhynchos Yellow-nosed Albatross Thalassarche bulleri Buller’s Albatross
So, of interest to me is whether IOC have split all of the albatross species as C&B seemed reluctant to do so, yet Environment Australia has. I have never looked at an IOC list as I have not, until the last year or so, needed a “world list”…..
Yours in all things “green”
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John Harris 0409 090 955 wildlifeexperiences@gmail.com
President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria (FNCV) Great news! The IOC seem to be keeping the subject very interesting, download their latest version at http://www.worldbirdnames.org/index.html
Looking forward to David and Tony’s input.
Tom
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Richard Baxterwrote:
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Great news! The IOC seem to be keeping the subject very interesting, download their latest version at http://www.worldbirdnames.org/index.html
Looking forward to David and Tony’s input.
Tom