Koel identification
By Birding-Aus, on February 3rd, 2014
Would the following be correct??? I’m trying to make sense of where this bird is really at.!!!! The Koel that we all see & hear in eastern Australia is the Australian Koel which is a subspecies of the Pacific Koel. The Koel seen in the west (Indian Ocean area) is the Asian Koel – usually reported from either Christmas Is, Cocos-Keeling &/or Ashmore Reef. Can anyone add to this assumption? Thanks Brian _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
Does anyone have any idea why this change was made (and by whom)? It seems to me that we have only recently changed from Common Koel to Eastern Koel so another change is a pain. Martin On 3 February 2014 12:22, Dave Torr < davidtorr@gmail.com> wrote: — Martin Butterfield http://franmart.blogspot.com.au/ _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
I am sure (but don’t have time to check) that different taxonomies – C&B, BirdLife, Clements etc – may treat this – and other species – differently. No right answers! On 3 February 2014 12:07, John Graff < jgraff2@hotmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
It’s quite complicated. According to Clements Australian Koel (Eudynamys cyanocephalus) is a full species separate from all other Koels, and Pacific Koel (Eudynamys scolopaceus [orientalis Group]) is a subspecies group within Asian Koel (Eudynamys scolopaceus). In contrast, IOC has the two Australian taxa (cyanocephalus and subcyanocephalus) as subspecies of Pacific Koel (Eudynamys orientalis). Haven’t had the chance to look at the primary literature and won’t have for some time… Cheers, Nikolas Clements lists the following Koel taxa: Microdynamis parvaDwarf Koel Microdynamis parva grisescens Microdynamis parva parva Eudynamys melanorhynchusBlack-billed Koel Eudynamys melanorhynchus melanorhynchus Eudynamys melanorhynchus facialis Eudynamys scolopaceusAsian Koel Eudynamys scolopaceus [scolopaceus Group]Asian Koel (Asian) Eudynamys scolopaceus scolopaceus Eudynamys scolopaceus chinensis Eudynamys scolopaceus harterti Eudynamys scolopaceus malayanus Eudynamys scolopaceus simalurensis Eudynamys scolopaceus frater Eudynamys scolopaceus mindanensis Eudynamys scolopaceus [orientalis Group]Asian Koel (Pacific) Eudynamys scolopaceus corvinus Eudynamys scolopaceus orientalis Eudynamys scolopaceus picatus Eudynamys scolopaceus rufiventer Eudynamys scolopaceus salvadorii Eudynamys scolopaceus alberti Eudynamys cyanocephalusAustralian Koel Eudynamys cyanocephalus subcyanocephalus Eudynamys cyanocephalus cyanocephalus Eudynamys taitensisLong-tailed Koel IOC lists the following taxa: Dwarf KoelMicrodynamis parva (Salvadori, 1876)AU : New Guinea M. p. grisescens Mayr & Rand, 1936nc and ne New Guinea M. p. parva (Salvadori, 1876)s New Guinea, D’Entrecasteaux Arch. Asian KoelEudynamys scolopaceus (Linnaeus, 1758)OR : widespread, also Lesser Sundas E. s. scolopaceus (Linnaeus, 1758)Nepal, Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Laccadives and Maldives E. s. chinensis Cabanis & Heine, 1863s China, Indochina E. s. harterti Ingram, W, 1912Hainan (off se China) E. s. malayanus Cabanis & Heine, 1863ne India and Bangladesh to Sumatra, Borneo and w Lesser Sundas E. s. mindanensis (Linnaeus, 1766)Palawan and the Philippines to the n Moluccas Black-billed KoelEudynamys melanorhynchus Müller, S, 1843AU : Sulawesi, Sula Islands. Pacific KoelEudynamys orientalis (Linnaeus, 1766)AU : s Moluccas to n, e Australia. E. o. orientalis (Linnaeus, 1766)s Moluccas E. o. picatus Müller, S, 1843Sumba to Timor and Kai Is. E. o. rufiventer (Lesson, 1830)New Guinea E. o. minimus van Oort, 1911sw New Guinea E. o. hybrida Diamond, 2002Long I. (off ne New Guinea) E. o. salvadorii Hartert, 1900Bismarck Arch. E. o. alberti Rothschild & Hartert, 1907Solomon Is. E. o. cyanocephalus (Latham, 1801)n Queensland to s New South Wales E. o. subcyanocephalus Mathews, 1912nw Australia to nw Queensland Long-tailed CuckooUrodynamis taitensis (Sparrman, 1787)AU : New Zealand —————- Nikolas Haass nhaass@yahoo.com Brisbane, QLD ________________________________ From: Dave Torr < davidtorr@gmail.com> Cc: birding-aus < birding-aus@birding-aus.org> Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 8:31 AM As with so many things, depends (probably) on your chosen taxonomy. According to the IOC 4.1 list, Asian Koel (*Eudynamys scolopaceus*) gets as far as Borneo and the Lesser Sundas. Pacific Koel (*Eudynamys orientalis*) has a subspecies (thus not split) *cyanocephalus* with range “n Queensland to s New South Wales” and another ssp *subcyanocephalus* with range “nw Australia to nw Queensland” However – as my recent query on Heuglin’s Gull in Thailand shows – the IOC is not always correct – and a different taxonomy may give different answers! DIfferent ssp of this also occur in the Indonesian archipelago and I guess either species could occur in the northern parts of our domain! On 3 February 2014 08:52, Brian & Meg < brianandmeg@bigpond.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
Old name pre-splits I think J. Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
So where does “Eastern Koel” fit in? That’s the name used in the Pizzey and Knight app and the Morcombe app. Peter Shute _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
My understanding (whether it’s correct is another story), is that Pacific is the usual one across the mainland, but Asian is the one most often reported from Christmas & Cocos John Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org
As with so many things, depends (probably) on your chosen taxonomy. According to the IOC 4.1 list, Asian Koel (*Eudynamys scolopaceus*) gets as far as Borneo and the Lesser Sundas. Pacific Koel (*Eudynamys orientalis*) has a subspecies (thus not split) *cyanocephalus* with range “n Queensland to s New South Wales” and another ssp *subcyanocephalus* with range “nw Australia to nw Queensland” However – as my recent query on Heuglin’s Gull in Thailand shows – the IOC is not always correct – and a different taxonomy may give different answers! DIfferent ssp of this also occur in the Indonesian archipelago and I guess either species could occur in the northern parts of our domain! On 3 February 2014 08:52, Brian & Meg < brianandmeg@bigpond.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Birding-Aus mailing list Birding-Aus@birding-aus.org To change settings or unsubscribe visit: http://birding-aus.org/mailman/listinfo/birding-aus_birding-aus.org